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hello higher side shatters Greg Carl

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Wood here offering a quick short

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pre-show PSA I think it's pretty common

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knowledge that I recorded my interviews

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in advance and in this one there is a

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section where we have a little banter

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about the dangers of releasing sensitive

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material that you might have dug up yes

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it comes up even in something as mundane

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sounding as sports but when billions of

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dollars are involved

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nothing is mundane and obviously it's a

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common thread of conversation on a show

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like this that could come up any given

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week but in light of the loss of Tracy

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Twyman it doesn't sound great

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again we recorded this before any of

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that happened and that's not even to say

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the release of sensitive information is

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related to Tracy's death we don't know

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and I don't want to suggest anything

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either way but we all know that when

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were in the proximity of a loss like

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this we usually wait a while before we

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return to talking so cavalierly about

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such things it is bad form not to I

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thought about removing it but just

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offering this caveat seemed like a more

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honest way to go about it I didn't say

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anything I don't believe but I

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definitely would have changed my tone

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and I think anyone can understand that

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and I apologize to Brian for starting

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his return to THC off like this but I

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couldn't say nothing

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again dotson prayers for Tracy's friends

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and family and now on with the show

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chatters how the hell are you from sunny

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San Diego i'm greg carl wood and while

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our infrastructure crumbles our

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so-called elected officials line their

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own pockets our debt based system of

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capstone cabal kicks off another social

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engineering campaign or population

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control program many Americans are so

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spellbound by professional sports they

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can't bring themselves to care or even

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notice of course I have my own juvenile

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time-wasting pastimes and entertainment

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addictions but strangers struggling over

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a ball week after week has never been

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one of them though it should be clear to

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everyone just how powerful and potent

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the sports industry is in America and

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really around the world we're talking

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billions of dollars a year in each

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individual league and all of their

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houses are built on the perception of

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fairness and integrity which quite

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honestly is never really questioned and

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it's never really been there well it

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doesn't stop the WWE from making

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billions of their own but one would

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think that the NFL the MLB the NBA and

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the NHL would lose

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some of their fanbase if the truth about

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the tight control corruption and game

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fixing was really known which is why

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that lid is such a tough one to pry open

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well interstage left brian tui from the

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fixes in net the man who's made himself

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the world's leading expert in these very

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things we had brian here once before

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about three years ago largely talking

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about the content and his popular books

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larceny games sports gambling game

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fixing and the FBI a season in the abyss

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sports gambling and the NFL's integrity

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and his wildly popular title the fix is

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in the show biz manipulations of the NFL

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MLB NBA NHL and NASCAR well when I saw

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his new sequel the fix is still in more

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corruption and conspiracies the pro

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sports leagues don't want you to know

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about was releasing I definitely jumped

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at the chance to have him back so let's

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get into it

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the king of sports conspiracies the guru

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of sports gambling and the ruiner of

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days Brian my man welcome back to the

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higher side thanks for having me on Greg

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I appreciate it yeah you got it I think

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this is gonna be a lot of fun I know you

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prefer to say you're a sports skeptic

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skeptical of what they're showing you

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but you're in good company with the

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conspiracy term here even though it's a

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loaded one we get it yeah it a may

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you're right it's a very loaded term and

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I think that's why a lot of people in

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the sports media world tend to shun what

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I do is because once you throw a

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conspiracy and you know into the mix you

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get that whole tin foil hat mentality

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and real journalists don't want to delve

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into that side of the thing and there's

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a lot of questionable things in sports

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that people bring up here and there but

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a lot of times it just gets you know

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left behind on to the next game next

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season what have you it gets forgotten

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and overlooked right and so you wrote

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the fixes in back in 2010 I believe it's

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been about a decade and I really should

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congratulate you because I know it's not

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easy to be the guy raining on everyone's

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parade but this new sequel is ranked

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number one on Amazon sports history

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category and as far as I could tell it's

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the only book that's critical of sports

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in the top ten so

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those to you I'm surprised the top ten

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you might want to say top 100 yeah well

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wishes I guess yeah yeah no esteem cuz

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that's the funny thing and that's

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actually what's kinda what got me

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started was I was always into sports

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ever since a little kid and that's from

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my dad and my older brothers and from

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reading books about sports and

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what-have-you it's amazing how much butt

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is so rah-rah you know so pro sports so

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these are good times and here's a funny

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story from the locker room in here

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wasn't this guy a great player and yet

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within all of those books that I read

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that were like that there was always

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like two or three pages in each book

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that made you go well what about this

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what about you know that party word

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there was all those hookers in the

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cocaine was was there more to that you

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know and it's those kinds of stories

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that really kind of got me into be in

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the in a way the negative guy about

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sports I guess well you definitely got

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me thinking about Michael Jordan's

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famous flu game a little bit differently

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apparently he was on a gambling and

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cocaine bender which is not the way we

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like to think of mr. spacejam but hey I

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mean man like the party yeah well and

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you know something like that I mean now

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people will say well you can't prove

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that well prove that you know the story

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now is he had food poisoning from a

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poison to pizza that was intentionally

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sent to his room to throw him off for

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the next day I mean prove that happen

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yeah nobody can prove it I think my

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story which I heard from someone who is

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directly connected to Jordan was that he

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was on an all-night bender doing cocaine

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and gambling and when you look back at

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the time I mean Michael Jordan was known

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to be golfing and gambling on golf with

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a known cocaine dealer he was also known

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to be cheating on his wife he was also

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known and is still known to be a heavy

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gambler so what makes more sense

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he had a poisoned pizza or he was out

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partying all night right right I mean

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yeah we like to have these pristine

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images of our heroes and I guess for

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some people he's definitely a hero and

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they don't want to confront that but I

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definitely enjoyed this new book and you

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write in the intro that you expected the

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fixes in to be the

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package you didn't expect to write a

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sequel to it why did you what does part

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to offer that wasn't there in part one

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well it's kind of you hate to see more

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of the same but it's amazing that I

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wrote that book ten years ago and you

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know I put in all the corruption that I

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could find I mean I put in stuff about

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gambling going back a hundred years I

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put in games that I thought were fixed

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I've talked about how certain books had

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written about perhaps the control of the

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networks television networks over the

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sports landscape and I thought that's

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all I needed to say but the book

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thankfully continues to sell and

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continues to sell today and people keep

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asking me questions about it and ever

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since I wrote the book I never really

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stopped doing research or looking into

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things and it just seemed like things

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have gotten worse hmm ever since the

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fixes then came out so when it seems to

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get worse it makes you go well there's

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obviously more to this then people

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realize and there's more I need to talk

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about so that's what I do with the fix

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is still and as I got more into as I

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write in the subtitle corruption and

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conspiracies that seem to come up in

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professional sports

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mm-hmm-hmm and that does seem to be the

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case no matter what you're looking at

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sports politics it seems like when

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people aren't held accountable or they

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feel like they can't get caught they get

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a lot bolder with their corruption and

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they just feel above the law and it

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seems to be true here as well well and

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you know the thing that bothers me is

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the sports media because ever since

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actually the fixes in came out I

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actually was lucky enough to work or

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maybe unlucky enough to work depending

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how you look at it

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within the professional sports media I

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mean I wrote for Vice sports I wrote for

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sports on earth which was co-owned by

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USA Today a major league baseball

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advanced media so I mean I worked with

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the professionals and as a professional

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sports writer and in doing so I mean I

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saw how they operated and I saw how they

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killed certain stories and I saw how

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certain things that they would edit out

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of my pieces even though I could prove

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them or at least that work totalize or

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anything like that so I mean I saw first

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how they would manipulate certain

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stories and how they would avoid certain

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stories because it didn't fit in with

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their bottom line mm-hmm-hmm yeah

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another straight parallel to news media

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it's all limited hang out we assume

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these are the watchdog's for a

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particular industry and they just aren't

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they give us maybe small little micro

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scandals but anything that affects the

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infrastructure is completely off limits

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and the news media is never going to

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talk about that in government sports

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media same thing they're dependent on

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sports so they're only gonna push so

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hard and that's usually not hard at all

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yeah and that's what bothered me was

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that this is sports I mean in the grand

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scheme of things it's meaningless I mean

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to a lot of people obviously it means a

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lot of money but I mean like saying the

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day-to-day life it's meaningless you

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know whether the Cubs win today or not

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doesn't affect how my day is gonna go it

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may affect certain people but it doesn't

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affect me doesn't matter if the Packers

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win the Superbowl it doesn't matter who

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wins the Stanley Cup none of it really

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matters in my day-to-day life and yet at

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the same time well you say I saw how the

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sports media manipulated certain things

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and did so intentionally I mean one of

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the chapters in the new book the fix is

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still in which I write about the UFC and

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its comparison to boxing in the 1950s I

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was actually asked by an editor of

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mainstream fight I won't even say the

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name but the mainstream fight website to

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write that article he heard me on a

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podcast he said hey I'd like you to

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write an article about this comparison I

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heard you talking about it so I did and

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then the guy never published it he said

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oh well there's problems with that we

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need to talk about it but he never made

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himself available to talk about it he

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never identified with the problems with

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the article were he just kept stringing

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me out stringing me on and then finally

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just let me go so I did all this work

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and put all this time into it never got

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paid for it and he refused to publish it

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so it wound up as a chapter the fixes to

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it yeah the UFC is something we talked

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about a little bit last time and how

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their history really mirrors the history

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of boxing where we have this one guy

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with all the

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our and ufc's probably the one I guess

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quote-unquote sport that I am interested

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in but even in the time since we've last

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talked we saw the UFC sold to a major

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entertainment company and then they

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signed a decade-long deal with ESPN have

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your feelings about the UFC's integrity

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changed at all no not at all

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in fact actually the more I dig into it

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the worse it gets

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mmm you know like you said I mean well I

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people don't know because a lot of

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people don't study history especially

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sports history is that in the 1950s

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boxing was literally controlled by

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organized crime and it was controlled by

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one guy with an organized crime guy

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named Frankie Carbone and he with these

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other underlings would determine who

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would fight who where they would fight

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when they would fight and a lot of times

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who would win or lose because they had

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to build up other fights and so then you

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look at the UFC in recent history you

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have Dana White who in many ways

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controls the UFC and controls you know

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mixed martial arts in general because if

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you're not fighting at the UFC what

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other option do you have and Dana White

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kind of the maid weighs controlled who

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fought who when they fought where they

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fought and my belief is much like boxing

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the 50s he also determined certain times

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who would win in who would lose to set

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up other fights because they were so

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beholden to pay-per-view events and then

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later Fox and now ESPN that if you don't

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get the viewers watching if you don't

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get people paying attention to your

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sport it's gonna die and the only way to

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get people to pay attention and to get

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excited about fight after fight after

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fight is to you know do some myth

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building build up these fights build up

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these fighters and make it more than it

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perhaps should be and if you have to

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manipulate things to do that well so be

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it it's for the business interests of

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everybody involved mm-hmm mm-hmm

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absolutely and you got me kind of

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reading between the lines and after the

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four billion dollar sale of UFC they

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definitely leaned more into that WWE

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type of stuff having Brock Lesnar storm

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the ring after a fight and it's like

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this is not mixed martial arts this is

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getting a little showy but I do like how

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you called out how poor

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the fighters are treated because when

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they sign a UFC contract who basically

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has the monopoly on MMA the UFC owns the

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rights to your name your likeness even

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your signature and tattoos it's pretty

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brutal and even if you become a major

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name and your stock rises to say you

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maybe win a title well there's a clause

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in the contract that if you win the belt

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your contract is automatically extended

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with no negotiation now that you are

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worth more so it's a brutal place with

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the fighters who really should be

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getting the biggest piece of the pie and

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they do the same thing in boxing where

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in the beginning they stack you with

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easy fights and that's why we have these

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fighters we start seeing on the scene

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that are like fifteen and oh and then

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all of a sudden once they get some star

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power they start getting crushed and

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it's like oh okay

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so those fifteen wins I mean how genuine

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are those it's just like everything else

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well Danny Wright with the UFC I mean

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that's one thing I learned to do in the

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research is how like you said how poorly

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the fighters are treated and that

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they're basically like cattle and that

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the UFC had such control over them

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contractually it was funny because like

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you said if he won a title your contract

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was automatically renewed you had no

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control over it as the fighter you

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couldn't negotiate for more money get a

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bigger cut or whatever was automatically

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renewed but at the same time if you lost

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certain fights do UFC could determine at

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any time to terminate your contract and

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get rid of you mm-hmm so yeah all the

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powers with the UFC what bothers me is

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we start looking to have seen he's like

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you said you see former professional

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wrestlers supposedly former professional

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wrestlers enter the sport and be the

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Haven the way like I said Brock Lesnar

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did in that one instance it makes you

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wonder well how real is all of this you

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know how Isha's is some of this I mean I

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think for example Ronda Rousey's whole

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career I think that was make-believe I

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mean I think she was good I think she is

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talented but I think they artificially

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built her up as they do many fighters in

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boxing as well until she got to the

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point where she fought she had a face a

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better opponent and then the UFC let her

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go yeah they basically set out down to

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third they let her get her head beaten

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and then she

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hurried off professional wrestling to

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continue a career there yeah it's funny

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how easy that transition is from serious

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mixed martial arts to entertainment

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theater and the wrestling ring but hey I

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mean the example speak for themselves

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a lot of fighters bounce back and forth

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that's what I find really bizarre yeah

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yeah I agree with you that's often go on

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to be you know actors

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well you shouldn't they really make you

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question what's going on if you go from

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fighting professionally to being an

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actor and there's very little transition

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time don't you wonder well maybe were

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they acting while they were fighting

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it's true is that possible and another

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thing that's changed since last time is

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that three years ago sports gambling was

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illegal in the u.s. outside of Nevada

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even though you had told us that there

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were estimates that maybe 300 or 400

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billion dollars could be flowing through

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illegal sports gambling I think last

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year though the Supreme Court ruled to

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open those floodgates a little bit right

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yes they repealed what was known as

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passed by the professional and amateur

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sports Protection Act that date back to

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the 1990s so basically they allowed the

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states if they want to to legalize

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sports gambling in states like New

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Jersey and others have hopped right on

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board and started legalizing it and

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started offering it up to people which i

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think is good and also a little bad but

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more good than bad well that was my

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question is how has this affected the

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landscape because we talked a lot about

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the mob control of sports betting and

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all the dirty tricks they play and like

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most things that are illegal and

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controlled by a mob or cartel when you

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legalize them these organized crime

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groups lose a bit of their monopolies I

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mean other people get monopolies and

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then it just becomes like higher brow

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crime but maybe it's not as dirty and

490
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bloodthirsty but regardless is that

491
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happening at all are we seeing some

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changing of the guard in terms of this

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huge amount of money well I think you

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know like with New Jersey for example

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legalizing it you have these bigger

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businesses like William Hill that are

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professional sports bookmakers that

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operate in you know Las Vegas

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operate in the United Kingdom and

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elsewhere and they come in and set up

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operation now in New Jersey to offer it

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up for everyday people and I think

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that's a good thing I mean I think then

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you can tax it you can monitor it you

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could regulate it and there's a lot of

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good actually that could come out of

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that but at the same time these

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professional bookmakers like William

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Hill also hurt professional sports

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gamblers and they affect people who want

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to bet higher limits on games because if

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they recognize you as being what they

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call a sharp gambler somebody who wins

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more often than they feel you should

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they will limit you as a player you know

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you used to be able to get $10,000 bet

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on the game well now they might say you

518
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can only bet $1,000 a game well it's a

519
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big deal to someone who's doing this

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professionally and it's also a big deal

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to people who are kind of high rollers

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so that kind of corporate mentality

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actually I think will negatively affect

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these professional bookmakers and also

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allow that black market to still exist

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because there are gonna be people who

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still want to bet big money on these

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games and if they can't do through the

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legal methods well they're gonna find a

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black market and there's gonna be a

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black market that exists that will still

532
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allow these people to make these bets

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and if people are gonna be fixing games

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and do so for gambling purposes they're

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still gonna hide in that black market

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and if these corporate bookmakers don't

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allow bigger bets and wagers on these

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games

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they're never gonna eliminate the black

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market in the United States because they

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can't do it around the world either

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mm-hmm

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and I know you've got a lot of this dirt

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on the leagues by looking at FBI records

545
00:21:36,820 --> 00:21:34,759
the marketing one-sheet for the fix is

546
00:21:39,700 --> 00:21:36,830
still and mentions new previously

547
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:39,710
unreleased FBI files can you tell us

548
00:21:43,869 --> 00:21:41,330
about some of the things that this

549
00:21:45,659 --> 00:21:43,879
latest set of files has taught you or

550
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:45,669
confirmed for you

551
00:21:50,219 --> 00:21:47,919
well let's just confirmed for me that

552
00:21:52,139 --> 00:21:50,229
you know basically any sport you can

553
00:21:54,659 --> 00:21:52,149
gamble on somebody's tried to fix or

554
00:21:56,099 --> 00:21:54,669
manipulate I mean I have chapters and

555
00:21:58,229 --> 00:21:56,109
the fix is still in the talk about horse

556
00:22:00,539 --> 00:21:58,239
racing and how horribly corrupt horse

557
00:22:03,180 --> 00:22:00,549
racing is from top to bottom when I have

558
00:22:05,549 --> 00:22:03,190
files in there that talk about college

559
00:22:08,190 --> 00:22:05,559
sports both basketball and football and

560
00:22:10,169 --> 00:22:08,200
how players were approached and a lot of

561
00:22:12,209 --> 00:22:10,179
times referees were approached how they

562
00:22:14,219 --> 00:22:12,219
were involved in shaving points and

563
00:22:17,729 --> 00:22:14,229
fixing games but I think my favorite

564
00:22:19,409 --> 00:22:17,739
thing that I found which I think was my

565
00:22:22,259 --> 00:22:19,419
favorite because the FBI wasn't supposed

566
00:22:23,999 --> 00:22:22,269
to give to me was I got a video out of

567
00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:24,009
the FBI that they used to use for

568
00:22:28,919 --> 00:22:26,289
training purposes when they would go to

569
00:22:31,799 --> 00:22:28,929
the professional teams and make these

570
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:31,809
presentations about sports and the drugs

571
00:22:36,299 --> 00:22:34,570
and gambling and the dangers involved in

572
00:22:39,180 --> 00:22:36,309
it all to these professional athletes

573
00:22:42,239 --> 00:22:39,190
and I got their training video hmm and

574
00:22:43,859 --> 00:22:42,249
Ipoh it's kind of redacted sometimes

575
00:22:45,839 --> 00:22:43,869
they black out the screen so you can't

576
00:22:47,459 --> 00:22:45,849
see who's on it for sometimes they'll

577
00:22:49,889 --> 00:22:47,469
eliminate the voice or sometimes they

578
00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:49,899
eliminated sections all together it's

579
00:22:54,419 --> 00:22:52,089
still about 20 minutes of probably a 30

580
00:22:57,209 --> 00:22:54,429
minute long video and it's extremely

581
00:22:59,279 --> 00:22:57,219
interesting because they talk about game

582
00:23:01,139 --> 00:22:59,289
fixing as if it's happening now and

583
00:23:03,269 --> 00:23:01,149
currently going on and something

584
00:23:05,819 --> 00:23:03,279
athletes really need to be worried about

585
00:23:07,489 --> 00:23:05,829
when at the same time the NFL says we've

586
00:23:10,319 --> 00:23:07,499
never had a game fixed in our history

587
00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:10,329
mm-hmm mm-hmm I really like that part as

588
00:23:15,569 --> 00:23:12,609
well because you talk about a couple of

589
00:23:17,549 --> 00:23:15,579
scenes that also near politics once

590
00:23:19,619 --> 00:23:17,559
again where it seems like if someone

591
00:23:21,839 --> 00:23:19,629
wants to get you in their pocket they

592
00:23:23,940 --> 00:23:21,849
just observe you for a while they find

593
00:23:25,889 --> 00:23:23,950
some dirt on you they find that you like

594
00:23:28,859 --> 00:23:25,899
cocaine or maybe you're gay and you're

595
00:23:30,690 --> 00:23:28,869
in the NFL and they say look man if you

596
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:30,700
don't want this stuff to get out you

597
00:23:35,279 --> 00:23:32,559
play the way I tell you to play and

598
00:23:36,810 --> 00:23:35,289
that's really going on and clearly the

599
00:23:38,639 --> 00:23:36,820
FBI is concerned about it or they

600
00:23:39,839 --> 00:23:38,649
wouldn't have made this film even though

601
00:23:42,060 --> 00:23:39,849
they definitely didn't want it to get

602
00:23:44,489 --> 00:23:42,070
out to the general public well exactly

603
00:23:47,639 --> 00:23:44,499
and that's the thing that should concern

604
00:23:49,499 --> 00:23:47,649
fans is that glad people don't think of

605
00:23:51,659 --> 00:23:49,509
athletes as people you know they don't

606
00:23:53,609 --> 00:23:51,669
think about the problems these athletes

607
00:23:55,739 --> 00:23:53,619
could have because I think there's a

608
00:23:59,190 --> 00:23:55,749
fantasy involved where the common fan

609
00:24:00,750 --> 00:23:59,200
would love for himself to be

610
00:24:02,129 --> 00:24:00,760
an athlete or play that sport

611
00:24:04,289 --> 00:24:02,139
professionally and think it would be a

612
00:24:06,389 --> 00:24:04,299
dream but they don't realize these

613
00:24:08,370 --> 00:24:06,399
people have problems they have problems

614
00:24:10,049 --> 00:24:08,380
you know with their spouses their

615
00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:10,059
significant others they have problems

616
00:24:12,690 --> 00:24:11,049
with their children

617
00:24:14,879 --> 00:24:12,700
it promises their parents they have

618
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:14,889
problems with other family members they

619
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:16,240
promise with drugs they problems with

620
00:24:20,940 --> 00:24:18,730
gambling there's all sorts of weaknesses

621
00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:20,950
that everyday people have that athletes

622
00:24:25,529 --> 00:24:23,049
have as well and they could easily be

623
00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:25,539
exploited by the wrong person if they

624
00:24:29,399 --> 00:24:27,370
got the right information about that

625
00:24:30,930 --> 00:24:29,409
athlete and like you said if you don't

626
00:24:32,789 --> 00:24:30,940
want it to be known that you're

627
00:24:35,549 --> 00:24:32,799
homosexual and you're playing in the NFL

628
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:35,559
well if somebody knew about that how

629
00:24:39,810 --> 00:24:37,360
hard would it be to blackmail that

630
00:24:41,639 --> 00:24:39,820
player into perhaps underperforming in a

631
00:24:46,399 --> 00:24:41,649
game or two so you can make some money

632
00:24:48,570 --> 00:24:46,409
making bets yeah clearly there's

633
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:48,580
blackmail pretty much everywhere you

634
00:24:53,549 --> 00:24:51,970
look and there's also a funny little

635
00:24:56,639 --> 00:24:53,559
anecdote about that video you were gonna

636
00:24:59,519 --> 00:24:56,649
release it on Alex Jones but then maybe

637
00:25:03,539 --> 00:24:59,529
got threatened it seems huh yeah a

638
00:25:06,299 --> 00:25:03,549
little bit it was kind of funny I wound

639
00:25:08,730 --> 00:25:06,309
up an al Jones show and I don't remember

640
00:25:11,100 --> 00:25:08,740
exactly how it came out but it was just

641
00:25:12,750 --> 00:25:11,110
after I'd got in the video and I'd

642
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:12,760
mentioned it to him I don't know if I

643
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:15,010
mentioned to on-air perhaps I brought it

644
00:25:19,379 --> 00:25:18,130
up after our segment off air and they're

645
00:25:21,930 --> 00:25:19,389
like oh my god you got to give us a

646
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:21,940
video you know we could release it and I

647
00:25:28,379 --> 00:25:24,490
said well I'm not sure he can really do

648
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:28,389
that and what happened was the FBI had

649
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:31,840
contacted me and I knew we sure have the

650
00:25:35,460 --> 00:25:33,010
whole sequence of events went but

651
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:35,470
basically the FBI contacted me and said

652
00:25:39,539 --> 00:25:37,330
look we weren't supposed to give you

653
00:25:41,159 --> 00:25:39,549
that video even though we released a -

654
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:41,169
through the Freedom of Information Act

655
00:25:47,129 --> 00:25:44,320
and they said it's still really

656
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:47,139
technically copyrighted by the NBA

657
00:25:52,169 --> 00:25:49,330
because they co-produced it with NBA

658
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:52,179
productions and they said you know if

659
00:25:56,460 --> 00:25:54,250
you release it and make it public you

660
00:25:57,450 --> 00:25:56,470
could have a serious problem on your

661
00:26:00,990 --> 00:25:57,460
hands

662
00:26:02,190 --> 00:26:01,000
I didn't release it I was really close

663
00:26:04,169 --> 00:26:02,200
to doing it just to see what would

664
00:26:06,570 --> 00:26:04,179
happen mm-hmm to see what would really

665
00:26:09,299 --> 00:26:06,580
come out of it and so when I did the

666
00:26:11,789 --> 00:26:09,309
fixes in book I was like well if I can't

667
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:11,799
release the video itself I know I can

668
00:26:15,419 --> 00:26:13,210
least write about everything

669
00:26:17,399 --> 00:26:15,429
Sinnott and so that's what I did because

670
00:26:19,980 --> 00:26:17,409
I figured that's as close as you can get

671
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:19,990
to see the actual video yeah I

672
00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:22,090
definitely understand the temptation to

673
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:24,370
say screw it and poke the bear you know

674
00:26:29,370 --> 00:26:26,890
let's get crazy but I've seen too many

675
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:29,380
examples of people who put themselves

676
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:31,330
out there to release some important

677
00:26:36,570 --> 00:26:34,450
information and then the media ignores

678
00:26:38,490 --> 00:26:36,580
it some people might see it and say oh

679
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:38,500
well that's interesting and it lasts

680
00:26:42,389 --> 00:26:40,690
about a week but for those people who

681
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:42,399
released it it might end up ruining

682
00:26:47,490 --> 00:26:45,130
their lives and it just doesn't really

683
00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:47,500
seem worth it in the end so you know

684
00:26:51,419 --> 00:26:50,049
honestly if I wasn't married if I didn't

685
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:51,429
have my wife I'd probably would have

686
00:26:55,470 --> 00:26:54,130
done it because with my wife you know

687
00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:55,480
there's a lot of worries and concerns

688
00:27:01,289 --> 00:26:58,570
and financial issues you know with every

689
00:27:02,820 --> 00:27:01,299
marriage but if I was just on my own or

690
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:02,830
if I was a lot younger I would have

691
00:27:07,380 --> 00:27:05,440
released it out of let it go just like I

692
00:27:08,970 --> 00:27:07,390
say just to co2 happened probably just

693
00:27:12,060 --> 00:27:08,980
sold some books for me so it probably

694
00:27:13,470 --> 00:27:12,070
created as firestorm but I still have it

695
00:27:14,100 --> 00:27:13,480
I still have a copy but in my

696
00:27:16,919 --> 00:27:14,110
possessions

697
00:27:18,450 --> 00:27:16,929
who knows oh that's funny man yeah we

698
00:27:20,250 --> 00:27:18,460
just I'll be right there with you

699
00:27:25,769 --> 00:27:20,260
blowing up our lives if we didn't have

700
00:27:26,490 --> 00:27:25,779
these damn lives yeah holding us back I

701
00:27:28,919 --> 00:27:26,500
know I know

702
00:27:31,380 --> 00:27:28,929
for her well-being as much as my own I

703
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:31,390
know these life attachments yeah if it

704
00:27:34,889 --> 00:27:33,730
was just me on my own yeah what the heck

705
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:34,899
let's see what happens

706
00:27:39,419 --> 00:27:36,610
cuz I mean it might have been you know

707
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:39,429
empty threat true I mean even though the

708
00:27:44,820 --> 00:27:41,770
FBI told me that and there was a thing

709
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:44,830
it's not like I could leak it not that

710
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:46,240
ESPN would do anything with it but I

711
00:27:51,659 --> 00:27:48,970
mean if I leaked at ESPN well the FBI is

712
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:51,669
gonna know well this idiot Brian's the

713
00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:53,440
only guy we gave it to where else could

714
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:56,049
it have come from it's that like I could

715
00:27:59,580 --> 00:27:57,760
have let it slip out some way either

716
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:59,590
right because it's all gonna come back

717
00:28:03,779 --> 00:28:01,120
to me because I'm the only one who found

718
00:28:08,100 --> 00:28:03,789
it and asked for it and got a copy ahead

719
00:28:10,110 --> 00:28:08,110
so that's true and so I don't think

720
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:10,120
anyone would be too surprised that

721
00:28:15,210 --> 00:28:12,610
there's cheating in sports there's

722
00:28:17,370 --> 00:28:15,220
corruption in sports but what I want to

723
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:17,380
do is try to burn the whole thing down

724
00:28:23,450 --> 00:28:20,159
what can we say or what points can you

725
00:28:26,730 --> 00:28:23,460
reiterate to remind us that this is

726
00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:26,740
institutionalized from the top down that

727
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:28,809
this isn't just some isolated instances

728
00:28:34,049 --> 00:28:31,210
of people trying to game the system this

729
00:28:37,519 --> 00:28:34,059
is sanctioned from on high to a degree I

730
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:37,529
think it all goes back to when I kind of

731
00:28:43,230 --> 00:28:39,730
uncovered accidentally as well as the

732
00:28:45,419 --> 00:28:43,240
fact is there is no law that prevents a

733
00:28:47,639 --> 00:28:45,429
professional sports league like the NFL

734
00:28:50,639 --> 00:28:47,649
or the NBA from fixing the outcome of

735
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:50,649
one or all of its own games okay so

736
00:28:54,180 --> 00:28:52,240
there's no law that prevents them from

737
00:28:57,210 --> 00:28:54,190
doing that there's two laws that come

738
00:28:59,279 --> 00:28:57,220
close one is the quiz show Act that

739
00:29:01,919 --> 00:28:59,289
passed in the 1950s because believe it

740
00:29:03,810 --> 00:29:01,929
or not for people who don't know the

741
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:03,820
network's the television networks NBC

742
00:29:08,220 --> 00:29:06,730
and CBS were rigging game shows to make

743
00:29:10,620 --> 00:29:08,230
them more interesting to get people to

744
00:29:13,049 --> 00:29:10,630
watch and when they finally blew up and

745
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:13,059
was investigated Congress passed a law

746
00:29:18,299 --> 00:29:15,730
that said you cannot fix an intellectual

747
00:29:20,430 --> 00:29:18,309
contest for television purposes well

748
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:20,440
sports is an intellectual so that law

749
00:29:24,779 --> 00:29:22,450
doesn't apply and then there's a law

750
00:29:28,139 --> 00:29:24,789
called the sports bribery Act from 1964

751
00:29:31,139 --> 00:29:28,149
which says you cannot bribe a player a

752
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:31,149
coach or refereed to alter the outcome

753
00:29:36,779 --> 00:29:34,240
of the sporting event but if a league

754
00:29:38,669 --> 00:29:36,789
like the NFL tells us referees hey this

755
00:29:41,190 --> 00:29:38,679
is how we want you to officiate the game

756
00:29:42,539 --> 00:29:41,200
they're not bribing anybody to alter the

757
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:42,549
outcome of the game they're just the

758
00:29:47,070 --> 00:29:44,890
employer is telling this employees how

759
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:47,080
they wanted to manage this entertainment

760
00:29:51,060 --> 00:29:49,120
product known as a National Football

761
00:29:52,889 --> 00:29:51,070
League game and they can alter the

762
00:29:56,580 --> 00:29:52,899
outcome of the game as they see fit and

763
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:56,590
so if that exists if that ability exists

764
00:30:03,299 --> 00:29:59,200
for the league's then the temptation has

765
00:30:05,370 --> 00:30:03,309
to be huge to be able to utilize that to

766
00:30:07,289 --> 00:30:05,380
make the most money and the most

767
00:30:08,970 --> 00:30:07,299
television ratings the most advertising

768
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:08,980
revenue and make your television

769
00:30:13,649 --> 00:30:11,200
broadcast partners as happy as can be

770
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:13,659
and to occasionally fix or alter the

771
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,090
outcome of a game to make sure that the

772
00:30:21,659 --> 00:30:18,720
best business decision comes to life

773
00:30:25,139 --> 00:30:21,669
mm-hmm I think that's such an important

774
00:30:28,169 --> 00:30:25,149
point that their laws are carefully

775
00:30:31,399 --> 00:30:28,179
crafted so that outside manipulation is

776
00:30:34,380 --> 00:30:31,409
illegal but internal manipulation is

777
00:30:37,289 --> 00:30:34,390
completely okay and people don't realize

778
00:30:40,019 --> 00:30:37,299
that and they should well and I like to

779
00:30:40,810 --> 00:30:40,029
equate it to this I say look if you're

780
00:30:43,450 --> 00:30:40,820
McDonald

781
00:30:45,610 --> 00:30:43,460
okay or Burger King whoever but say your

782
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:45,620
McDonald's and you find an additive a

783
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:48,050
food additive that you can stick in your

784
00:30:52,930 --> 00:30:50,930
hamburger and it's FDA approved there's

785
00:30:54,700 --> 00:30:52,940
nothing illegal about it but you can

786
00:30:57,220 --> 00:30:54,710
stick this food additive into your

787
00:30:59,770 --> 00:30:57,230
hamburger every time a customer buys one

788
00:31:01,540 --> 00:30:59,780
and takes a bite of it it tastes better

789
00:31:03,940 --> 00:31:01,550
each time you take a bite it tastes

790
00:31:05,140 --> 00:31:03,950
better you're gonna put that in your

791
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:05,150
hamburger tomorrow because you're gonna

792
00:31:09,340 --> 00:31:07,760
sell more hamburgers right mm-hmm I mean

793
00:31:10,450 --> 00:31:09,350
it only makes sense it's a legal food

794
00:31:12,190 --> 00:31:10,460
additive you could stick it in there

795
00:31:14,590 --> 00:31:12,200
makes your food taste better you're

796
00:31:17,500 --> 00:31:14,600
gonna do it well that's exactly what the

797
00:31:19,330 --> 00:31:17,510
NFL can do the NFL can manipulate the

798
00:31:20,980 --> 00:31:19,340
games while you're consuming them to

799
00:31:22,660 --> 00:31:20,990
make it more exciting to make them more

800
00:31:24,730 --> 00:31:22,670
entertaining to make you want to watch

801
00:31:27,870 --> 00:31:24,740
more and they can do it perfectly

802
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:27,880
legally so why wouldn't they do that

803
00:31:35,740 --> 00:31:31,850
mm-hmm-hmm another telling fact to me is

804
00:31:38,170 --> 00:31:35,750
that these sports leagues are profit

805
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:38,180
sharing this is kind of insane because

806
00:31:43,390 --> 00:31:40,010
it means the rivalries are just

807
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:43,400
fantasies that when you buy a Jersey for

808
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:45,770
your favorite team you're also giving

809
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:48,650
money to the rival that you so

810
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:50,810
desperately want to see defeated and it

811
00:31:55,420 --> 00:31:53,690
is a big sham because that aspect I

812
00:31:57,250 --> 00:31:55,430
don't think a lot of people know it but

813
00:32:00,100 --> 00:31:57,260
it is quite telling when it comes to the

814
00:32:02,170 --> 00:32:00,110
motivations and where the real conflicts

815
00:32:04,390 --> 00:32:02,180
are where the imaginary conflicts are

816
00:32:07,270 --> 00:32:04,400
well yeah because the rivalries are

817
00:32:10,180 --> 00:32:07,280
really media created or fan created I

818
00:32:12,010 --> 00:32:10,190
mean amongst the players they may pay it

819
00:32:13,810 --> 00:32:12,020
lip service but amongst the owners I

820
00:32:16,150 --> 00:32:13,820
don't believe it exists whatsoever

821
00:32:19,810 --> 00:32:16,160
because as you said there's a lot of

822
00:32:21,970 --> 00:32:19,820
revenue sharing the NFL alone I could

823
00:32:24,460 --> 00:32:21,980
never get an exact number but anywhere

824
00:32:27,340 --> 00:32:24,470
from probably 70 to 80% of all the

825
00:32:30,730 --> 00:32:27,350
revenue the NFL makes is shared equally

826
00:32:32,050 --> 00:32:30,740
amongst all 32 teams I mean it's crazy

827
00:32:34,390 --> 00:32:32,060
when you stop and think about I mean you

828
00:32:37,180 --> 00:32:34,400
think about literally the NFL makes 10

829
00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:37,190
to 12 billion dollars a season and 80%

830
00:32:41,050 --> 00:32:39,710
of that is shared equally so when you

831
00:32:43,630 --> 00:32:41,060
have the New England Patriots win the

832
00:32:47,980 --> 00:32:43,640
Super Bowl and you have the Detroit

833
00:32:49,330 --> 00:32:47,990
Lions wind up being 214 again in reality

834
00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:49,340
they're making the same amount of money

835
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:51,710
mm-hmm and what's even more bizarre is

836
00:32:54,659 --> 00:32:53,210
like you know when they sell all those

837
00:32:57,060 --> 00:32:54,669
Patriots world

838
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:57,070
ship t-shirts the Lions are getting a

839
00:33:02,039 --> 00:32:59,440
cut of that money so are the team that

840
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:02,049
the Patriots beat so we're the Seahawks

841
00:33:05,489 --> 00:33:03,850
or the Bears I mean so everybody's

842
00:33:08,849 --> 00:33:05,499
making money off those championship

843
00:33:10,349 --> 00:33:08,859
t-shirts so what happens when a team

844
00:33:12,690 --> 00:33:10,359
wins a championship does it really

845
00:33:14,220 --> 00:33:12,700
bother the other owners that their

846
00:33:15,479 --> 00:33:14,230
team's not the one we need the

847
00:33:18,229 --> 00:33:15,489
championship when they're making the

848
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:18,239
same amount of money I don't think so

849
00:33:24,239 --> 00:33:21,850
yes and right along these lines I wanted

850
00:33:26,099 --> 00:33:24,249
to ask you about this book score casting

851
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:26,109
that you write about the authors seem to

852
00:33:30,690 --> 00:33:28,809
collect all the data that shows the home

853
00:33:33,149 --> 00:33:30,700
team advantage that we've all heard of

854
00:33:35,159 --> 00:33:33,159
is literally just cheating and collusion

855
00:33:37,739 --> 00:33:35,169
it's better for the league's who we just

856
00:33:40,590 --> 00:33:37,749
established profit share when home teams

857
00:33:42,690 --> 00:33:40,600
win because people buy more beer they

858
00:33:45,659 --> 00:33:42,700
buy more merch and they come back for

859
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:45,669
more games so the league's look the

860
00:33:48,989 --> 00:33:47,289
other way or who knows maybe even

861
00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:48,999
encourage this behavior since all the

862
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,769
revenue was shared anyway but this book

863
00:33:56,609 --> 00:33:52,480
got the data right but not the

864
00:33:58,349 --> 00:33:56,619
conclusion I'm being a totally honest

865
00:34:00,570 --> 00:33:58,359
here that's the first time in my life I

866
00:34:02,609 --> 00:34:00,580
ever threw a book down while I was

867
00:34:04,590 --> 00:34:02,619
reading it was that squirt casting

868
00:34:07,979 --> 00:34:04,600
chapter on home-field advantage I got so

869
00:34:10,349 --> 00:34:07,989
angry I literally threw the book because

870
00:34:12,839 --> 00:34:10,359
it's it's insane these guys one guy's a

871
00:34:14,940 --> 00:34:12,849
editor still an editor its Sports

872
00:34:16,619 --> 00:34:14,950
Illustrated the author and one of the

873
00:34:18,809 --> 00:34:16,629
other authors is an economist and they

874
00:34:21,299 --> 00:34:18,819
wanted to do a freakonomics type of book

875
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:21,309
about sports and one of the things they

876
00:34:25,859 --> 00:34:23,200
explored was like he said home-field

877
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:25,869
advantage and their determination was

878
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:29,290
that in every sport the NHL major league

879
00:34:32,819 --> 00:34:32,049
baseball the NFL and the NBA home-field

880
00:34:35,579 --> 00:34:32,829
advantage

881
00:34:37,289 --> 00:34:35,589
totally existed and their conclusion was

882
00:34:39,210 --> 00:34:37,299
through all their stats and data

883
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:39,220
crunching and all that was that

884
00:34:43,980 --> 00:34:40,720
home-field existed because of

885
00:34:46,349 --> 00:34:43,990
officiating and that in major league

886
00:34:50,159 --> 00:34:46,359
baseball balls and strikes in the NBA

887
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:50,169
fouls and the NHL fouls and FL fouls was

888
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:53,649
all created by the officials and at the

889
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:55,210
same time they said look we understand

890
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:57,520
that when the home team wins more

891
00:35:02,819 --> 00:34:59,680
merchandise is sold more tickets are

892
00:35:04,859 --> 00:35:02,829
sold all these benefits come along with

893
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:04,869
the home team winning more games than

894
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:07,450
losing and then their final conclusion

895
00:35:10,859 --> 00:35:08,650
was that even though the

896
00:35:12,569 --> 00:35:10,869
are causing it and even though it's

897
00:35:14,970 --> 00:35:12,579
benefiting the league and the teams that

898
00:35:17,789 --> 00:35:14,980
it was basically accidental that it

899
00:35:20,460 --> 00:35:17,799
happened that it was just an unconscious

900
00:35:21,569 --> 00:35:20,470
response by the referees that caused us

901
00:35:23,549 --> 00:35:21,579
home-field advantage

902
00:35:24,809 --> 00:35:23,559
mm-hmm and they said that in fact my

903
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:24,819
favorite quote was they said the

904
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:26,970
officials are uncorrupted and

905
00:35:31,980 --> 00:35:29,650
uncorruptible which I thought was just

906
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:31,990
absurd and that's when I think I

907
00:35:36,779 --> 00:35:34,450
actually chucked the book I mean they

908
00:35:39,329 --> 00:35:36,789
concluded they had everything right and

909
00:35:40,620 --> 00:35:39,339
then they said well it just it's just

910
00:35:43,230 --> 00:35:40,630
one of those things that happens and I'm

911
00:35:45,029 --> 00:35:43,240
like how could you be so naive why won't

912
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:45,039
you just say what's your own statistics

913
00:35:49,410 --> 00:35:47,410
show that the league's are manipulating

914
00:35:50,670 --> 00:35:49,420
these games to make sure the home team

915
00:35:51,390 --> 00:35:50,680
wins because it benefits everybody

916
00:35:54,359 --> 00:35:51,400
involved

917
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:54,369
yeah blinders man so many people with

918
00:35:59,099 --> 00:35:57,490
the blinders well and I think it's play

919
00:36:01,500 --> 00:35:59,109
he said because one of the writers works

920
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:01,510
for Sports Illustrated and still does he

921
00:36:05,370 --> 00:36:03,609
was afraid to write that mm-hmm because

922
00:36:07,049 --> 00:36:05,380
what they wrote was just absurd and

923
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:07,059
that's why I covered in the book because

924
00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:10,450
I think their methodology and their data

925
00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:13,089
was all correct and I just think that

926
00:36:17,730 --> 00:36:15,910
they intentionally botched the

927
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:17,740
conclusion because they didn't want it

928
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:21,010
to be the truth yeah I hear ya and so

929
00:36:26,039 --> 00:36:23,410
I'm just an interviewer really not even

930
00:36:28,260 --> 00:36:26,049
a real researcher per se and people send

931
00:36:29,849 --> 00:36:28,270
me stuff all the time about something

932
00:36:31,799 --> 00:36:29,859
they uncovered or something their

933
00:36:34,410 --> 00:36:31,809
grandpa told him about his years in the

934
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:34,420
military and I got to assume that you

935
00:36:38,309 --> 00:36:36,640
get the same thing as anyone shared info

936
00:36:40,650 --> 00:36:38,319
with you since the book came out the

937
00:36:43,319 --> 00:36:40,660
first book that maybe you didn't know

938
00:36:44,970 --> 00:36:43,329
about or were impressed with my favorite

939
00:36:47,519 --> 00:36:44,980
one was after I was on the first time I

940
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:47,529
was on coast to coast am as a guest I

941
00:36:54,359 --> 00:36:50,890
had a guy a gentleman umeo me and said

942
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:54,369
he was a former CIA agent and that they

943
00:37:01,559 --> 00:36:58,240
knew that the famous 1972 gold mental

944
00:37:03,690 --> 00:37:01,569
gold medal gold medal Olympic basketball

945
00:37:06,839 --> 00:37:03,700
game played between the United States

946
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:06,849
and the Soviet Union was fixed and the

947
00:37:11,700 --> 00:37:08,410
reason it was fixed is because the CIA

948
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:11,710
knew that the KGB had kidnapped one of

949
00:37:17,549 --> 00:37:14,710
the referees families and threatened to

950
00:37:21,210 --> 00:37:17,559
kill them if the Soviet Union lost that

951
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:21,220
basketball game and so I did actually I

952
00:37:24,839 --> 00:37:22,690
followed up on it because I

953
00:37:26,910 --> 00:37:24,849
like well this seems to desire not to be

954
00:37:29,010 --> 00:37:26,920
true I mean it seems kind of a random

955
00:37:31,740 --> 00:37:29,020
thing for somebody just the makeup and a

956
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:31,750
lot of thin air and email to me but when

957
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:34,510
I contacted the CIA through the Freedom

958
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:36,970
of Information Act in typical CIA

959
00:37:41,940 --> 00:37:39,130
fashion I got a response it literally

960
00:37:46,589 --> 00:37:41,950
said we can neither confirm nor deny any

961
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:46,599
such file exists mmm funny thing funny

962
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:48,880
thing so I wanted to ask you about this

963
00:37:52,829 --> 00:37:50,410
it comes from your website but you have

964
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:52,839
a section on there dedicated to the

965
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:55,210
prospect of putting magnets in the

966
00:37:59,849 --> 00:37:57,130
actual balls or the pucks

967
00:38:02,790 --> 00:37:59,859
and being able to actually manipulate

968
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:02,800
the magnetic field itself I mean the

969
00:38:07,770 --> 00:38:05,290
basketball net is metal the hockey net

970
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:07,780
is metal this stuff is there the

971
00:38:14,099 --> 00:38:11,770
uprights of the NFL's field goal is also

972
00:38:16,740 --> 00:38:14,109
metal this is interesting maybe

973
00:38:19,260 --> 00:38:16,750
speculative but when you look at those

974
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:19,270
videos that you have those clips that

975
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:21,970
you include on that page I mean my mind

976
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:24,010
was pretty much blown man this seems

977
00:38:29,099 --> 00:38:27,010
like it's a real thing I know it seems

978
00:38:31,190 --> 00:38:29,109
like you say it seems extremely

979
00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:31,200
speculative and it's not something I

980
00:38:35,819 --> 00:38:34,569
totally believe but I was told and

981
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:35,829
they're even too recently even came up

982
00:38:40,829 --> 00:38:38,650
was I was told by a guy I met I don't

983
00:38:43,230 --> 00:38:40,839
remember where I met him it was after

984
00:38:46,140 --> 00:38:43,240
the fixes in came out and he said he was

985
00:38:47,819 --> 00:38:46,150
a former NBA ball boy for the Chicago

986
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:47,829
Bulls because I'm in Chicago area and

987
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:50,050
he's to ask me goes do you know there's

988
00:38:54,420 --> 00:38:52,510
magnets in the balls right and I said

989
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:54,430
what do you mean he goes yeah there's

990
00:38:56,730 --> 00:38:55,930
magnets in the balls and the rims are

991
00:38:59,280 --> 00:38:56,740
magnetized

992
00:39:01,800 --> 00:38:59,290
and I'm just like seriously he's again I

993
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:01,810
go supposedly it's in there for the ball

994
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:03,520
to be able to basically automatically

995
00:39:08,190 --> 00:39:06,250
reset the shot clock when the ball goes

996
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:08,200
through the rim he goes but I think they

997
00:39:14,460 --> 00:39:10,930
actually can magnetically repulse the

998
00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:14,470
ball away from the net or hold the ball

999
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:17,470
in for a score if they want to and I

1000
00:39:20,940 --> 00:39:19,210
said well that's kind of bizarre but

1001
00:39:22,980 --> 00:39:20,950
okay and I just kind of kept that in the

1002
00:39:26,130 --> 00:39:22,990
back of my head and now as we've

1003
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:26,140
advanced the time is advanced I've seen

1004
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:27,520
things which like you said I post on

1005
00:39:32,460 --> 00:39:29,530
some of the clips on my website that

1006
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:32,470
seemed to really confirm what this guy

1007
00:39:35,579 --> 00:39:33,970
was telling me because you see the

1008
00:39:36,539 --> 00:39:35,589
football sometimes going right toward

1009
00:39:38,999 --> 00:39:36,549
the uprights once

1010
00:39:41,249 --> 00:39:39,009
we make a right-hand turn away or he C

1011
00:39:43,049 --> 00:39:41,259
Falls that shouldn't go through the hoop

1012
00:39:44,099 --> 00:39:43,059
go in or you see the hockey puck looks

1013
00:39:46,049 --> 00:39:44,109
like it's gonna go in the net and then

1014
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:46,059
suddenly makes a right-hand turn away

1015
00:39:51,329 --> 00:39:47,529
from that and it makes me wonder you

1016
00:39:53,729 --> 00:39:51,339
know the technology exists it's possible

1017
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:53,739
but I don't know can you create that

1018
00:39:59,849 --> 00:39:56,170
strong of a magnetic field around a rim

1019
00:40:02,309 --> 00:39:59,859
or a hockey net to really push or pull a

1020
00:40:04,650 --> 00:40:02,319
puck or a ball that's being shot that

1021
00:40:06,959 --> 00:40:04,660
fast in her way I don't know but it's

1022
00:40:08,849 --> 00:40:06,969
something to think about well as you

1023
00:40:11,279 --> 00:40:08,859
asked would you leave a billion-dollar

1024
00:40:13,469 --> 00:40:11,289
industry to chance I mean I find him so

1025
00:40:15,870 --> 00:40:13,479
convincing the one that I think any

1026
00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:15,880
sports fan should take a look at is John

1027
00:40:23,009 --> 00:40:19,599
quicks famous magic puck he I guess this

1028
00:40:25,469 --> 00:40:23,019
guy takes a shot the goalie does not

1029
00:40:28,049 --> 00:40:25,479
make contact with the puck it's about to

1030
00:40:30,660 --> 00:40:28,059
go into an open net and whoop because a

1031
00:40:32,999 --> 00:40:30,670
complete 180 and just comes right out

1032
00:40:36,029 --> 00:40:33,009
and they've got a shot from above

1033
00:40:38,099 --> 00:40:36,039
they've got shots from the side and just

1034
00:40:40,109 --> 00:40:38,109
that one example to me proves that

1035
00:40:43,169 --> 00:40:40,119
something's up and also it is worth

1036
00:40:46,380 --> 00:40:43,179
noting this detail that apparently the

1037
00:40:49,079 --> 00:40:46,390
NFL was looking into magnetic fields to

1038
00:40:50,759 --> 00:40:49,089
manipulate balls and then they stopped

1039
00:40:52,469 --> 00:40:50,769
and they just stopped talking about it

1040
00:40:54,299 --> 00:40:52,479
and that's the thing that we've seen in

1041
00:40:56,339 --> 00:40:54,309
government before with secret projects

1042
00:40:58,529 --> 00:40:56,349
they'll make some comments about it

1043
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:58,539
about what's possible and then when the

1044
00:41:02,579 --> 00:41:00,160
rollout really happens that's when

1045
00:41:04,739 --> 00:41:02,589
everybody gets quiet I mean it might be

1046
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,749
true for this magnets thing too well

1047
00:41:07,380 --> 00:41:06,400
like you said the NFL was looking into

1048
00:41:08,999 --> 00:41:07,390
it and they were working with the Walt

1049
00:41:10,650 --> 00:41:09,009
Disney Company yeah when they were

1050
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:10,660
looking at which makes it even more

1051
00:41:16,739 --> 00:41:14,529
interesting and to me too it goes into

1052
00:41:19,559 --> 00:41:16,749
the whole idea of the state of

1053
00:41:21,929 --> 00:41:19,569
officiating in professional sports how

1054
00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:21,939
is it that it's 2019 and we have all

1055
00:41:26,969 --> 00:41:24,569
this computer technology and

1056
00:41:29,099 --> 00:41:26,979
what-have-you and the only way we can

1057
00:41:31,229 --> 00:41:29,109
measure whether or not a teammate of

1058
00:41:34,109 --> 00:41:31,239
first down is by two guys holding the

1059
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:34,119
length of chain why is that

1060
00:41:38,609 --> 00:41:36,130
the only way we can do this why isn't

1061
00:41:40,589 --> 00:41:38,619
there technological advances they can

1062
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:40,599
tell us how far the ball went or did the

1063
00:41:45,209 --> 00:41:43,119
ball break the plane of the core or did

1064
00:41:47,309 --> 00:41:45,219
the puck cross the red line and is it a

1065
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:47,319
goal or is it not a goal I mean there's

1066
00:41:50,340 --> 00:41:49,569
all sorts of things that I think would

1067
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:50,350
be very

1068
00:41:54,690 --> 00:41:52,570
feasible and very easy to implement in

1069
00:41:56,370 --> 00:41:54,700
all of these sports they would eliminate

1070
00:41:58,650 --> 00:41:56,380
some of the instant replays that would

1071
00:42:00,900 --> 00:41:58,660
eliminate some of the guesswork from it

1072
00:42:03,930 --> 00:42:00,910
and yet none of it is being implemented

1073
00:42:05,790 --> 00:42:03,940
mm-hmm and I think the reason none of it

1074
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:05,800
is being implemented is because they

1075
00:42:10,380 --> 00:42:08,050
don't want to lose control the guys who

1076
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:10,390
run the leaks if you take it away from

1077
00:42:14,370 --> 00:42:12,730
the officiating if you allow a computer

1078
00:42:16,740 --> 00:42:14,380
to call balls and strikes in a baseball

1079
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,750
game as opposed to an umpire well

1080
00:42:19,020 --> 00:42:18,400
suddenly now there's really no room for

1081
00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:19,030
error

1082
00:42:23,490 --> 00:42:20,830
there's no fudge room you know what I

1083
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:23,500
mean so now you can't put pressure on

1084
00:42:27,150 --> 00:42:24,970
the pitcher you can't put pressure

1085
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:27,160
around a hitter on some of these

1086
00:42:31,260 --> 00:42:28,930
borderline calls if that's what you so

1087
00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:31,270
desire it is what it is so that's the

1088
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:33,310
same with scoring goals or you know

1089
00:42:37,650 --> 00:42:35,050
marking first downs or to have you if

1090
00:42:40,110 --> 00:42:37,660
you put in more technology you get rid

1091
00:42:42,030 --> 00:42:40,120
of the human element well technology

1092
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:42,040
supposedly isn't fallible I mean I'm

1093
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:43,810
sure there's ways they can work around

1094
00:42:48,210 --> 00:42:46,450
that too but if you have the officials

1095
00:42:50,220 --> 00:42:48,220
on the field making the calls then using

1096
00:42:52,530 --> 00:42:50,230
instant replay to supposedly correct

1097
00:42:54,060 --> 00:42:52,540
those calls then you have more control

1098
00:42:55,980 --> 00:42:54,070
over the sport and the outcome and I

1099
00:42:58,230 --> 00:42:55,990
think that's of why technology is

1100
00:43:00,170 --> 00:42:58,240
shunned in many ways although maybe

1101
00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:00,180
being used in these magnets you know

1102
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:01,630
mm-hmm

1103
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:03,970
I just love the magnets example because

1104
00:43:08,700 --> 00:43:06,210
it really drives home the

1105
00:43:10,380 --> 00:43:08,710
institutionalized corruption and the

1106
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:10,390
fact that you're basically watching

1107
00:43:15,660 --> 00:43:12,730
something that's akin to a ballet or

1108
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:15,670
theater and another example where I

1109
00:43:19,110 --> 00:43:17,050
think it's pretty telling that

1110
00:43:22,110 --> 00:43:19,120
something's up is we all have seen these

1111
00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:22,120
half-court shots that people make for

1112
00:43:26,490 --> 00:43:24,910
money you know during the breaks they

1113
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:26,500
pull someone out from the audience which

1114
00:43:31,380 --> 00:43:28,690
who knows if that person is even genuine

1115
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:31,390
and actually winning the money that they

1116
00:43:37,710 --> 00:43:34,510
may be making from HBO yeah yeah exactly

1117
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:37,720
they have the fans yeah mm-hmm and

1118
00:43:42,900 --> 00:43:40,090
there's definitely one where think about

1119
00:43:46,410 --> 00:43:42,910
a half-court shot it's not a light thing

1120
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:46,420
you know it's a lot it's coming in hot

1121
00:43:51,540 --> 00:43:48,400
you know so this dude throws the ball

1122
00:43:54,690 --> 00:43:51,550
from half-court and it sticks to the

1123
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:54,700
square plate above the hoop and it's

1124
00:43:59,060 --> 00:43:56,560
like the force in which that thing is

1125
00:44:02,100 --> 00:43:59,070
coming in and the bounciness of a

1126
00:44:04,349 --> 00:44:02,110
basketball it would definitely not do

1127
00:44:06,299 --> 00:44:04,359
that I've seen balls get jammed in this

1128
00:44:08,249 --> 00:44:06,309
I'd of the rim I'm not talking about

1129
00:44:11,009 --> 00:44:08,259
that I'm talking about right on the top

1130
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:11,019
and it just sticks like a magnet like

1131
00:44:15,450 --> 00:44:13,359
someone forgot to shut it off during

1132
00:44:18,660 --> 00:44:15,460
halftime and went out and took a leak

1133
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:18,670
and really exposed themselves there but

1134
00:44:24,450 --> 00:44:20,319
I thought that was a great example and

1135
00:44:26,670 --> 00:44:24,460
as you note you can't keep an NBA ball

1136
00:44:29,130 --> 00:44:26,680
if you catch one during a game nor can

1137
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:29,140
you keep the kicking ball in the NFL if

1138
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:32,170
it goes in the stands a regular NFL ball

1139
00:44:38,249 --> 00:44:35,170
you can but not the actual kicking ball

1140
00:44:40,140 --> 00:44:38,259
and that's a clue yeah well and I didn't

1141
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:40,150
realize that it was a thing until again

1142
00:44:44,789 --> 00:44:41,890
someone had emailed me about that and

1143
00:44:47,069 --> 00:44:44,799
how I can't remember it was like the guy

1144
00:44:49,259 --> 00:44:47,079
who emailed me his brother some sort of

1145
00:44:51,690 --> 00:44:49,269
family relation caught one of the balls

1146
00:44:53,220 --> 00:44:51,700
a kicking ball that had I don't remember

1147
00:44:55,170 --> 00:44:53,230
and gone through the uprights there was

1148
00:44:56,729 --> 00:44:55,180
a missed field goal whatever but I went

1149
00:44:59,759 --> 00:44:56,739
to the stance and this guy caught it an

1150
00:45:01,620 --> 00:44:59,769
NFL security he said was on this guy it

1151
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:01,630
got the ball away from him and gave him

1152
00:45:06,329 --> 00:45:03,249
a different ball but they wouldn't allow

1153
00:45:09,210 --> 00:45:06,339
him to keep that ball curious they'd

1154
00:45:11,279 --> 00:45:09,220
indeed and I guess if people want to

1155
00:45:13,529 --> 00:45:11,289
watch sports even if it's heavily

1156
00:45:16,019 --> 00:45:13,539
manipulated and largely fixed for

1157
00:45:18,690 --> 00:45:16,029
maximum wealth extraction but they're

1158
00:45:20,130 --> 00:45:18,700
still having a good time that's fine but

1159
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:20,140
the big thing that bothers me is when

1160
00:45:25,170 --> 00:45:22,569
these billionaires get taxpayer money

1161
00:45:27,660 --> 00:45:25,180
and prime downtown real estate just

1162
00:45:29,849 --> 00:45:27,670
handed to them to build these stadiums

1163
00:45:32,279 --> 00:45:29,859
and they don't even call them like the

1164
00:45:34,620 --> 00:45:32,289
people of Boston's arena or something

1165
00:45:38,220 --> 00:45:34,630
like that it's still the Colgate center

1166
00:45:40,349 --> 00:45:38,230
or Petco Park or the Pepsi arena and we

1167
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:40,359
just let it go on the assumption that

1168
00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:42,400
the team is bringing in money for the

1169
00:45:47,519 --> 00:45:44,710
city but the data shows that not to be

1170
00:45:50,099 --> 00:45:47,529
true they're taking money out of a city

1171
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:50,109
into the private hands of billionaire

1172
00:45:54,569 --> 00:45:52,720
owners and private leagues not to

1173
00:45:56,670 --> 00:45:54,579
mention the opportunity cost of what

1174
00:45:58,769 --> 00:45:56,680
could have gone in there but a lot of

1175
00:46:01,979 --> 00:45:58,779
people miss how big a deal this really

1176
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:01,989
is no I mean there's people smarter than

1177
00:46:06,420 --> 00:46:04,480
me who figured this out you know there's

1178
00:46:09,599 --> 00:46:06,430
sports economists that have said look if

1179
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:09,609
your city if they had a team like they

1180
00:46:13,859 --> 00:46:11,440
took the city of Baltimore when they

1181
00:46:16,349 --> 00:46:13,869
lost the Baltimore Colts when that team

1182
00:46:18,510 --> 00:46:16,359
left town it's not like Baltimore fell

1183
00:46:20,579 --> 00:46:18,520
apart because the Colts laugh

1184
00:46:22,620 --> 00:46:20,589
I mean Baltimore's falling apart yes it

1185
00:46:24,690 --> 00:46:22,630
is I guess but not because the Colts

1186
00:46:26,820 --> 00:46:24,700
left but what happens is basically

1187
00:46:29,370 --> 00:46:26,830
people spend their entertainment money

1188
00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:29,380
on other forms of entertainment so if

1189
00:46:34,170 --> 00:46:31,089
they don't have the professional sports

1190
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:34,180
teams there to waste their money on them

1191
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:36,160
they wind up going to other things they

1192
00:46:40,530 --> 00:46:38,290
go to the theater they go to see an

1193
00:46:42,180 --> 00:46:40,540
orchestra they find other ways to spend

1194
00:46:45,089 --> 00:46:42,190
their entertainment money so it doesn't

1195
00:46:47,339 --> 00:46:45,099
really negatively affect a city to have

1196
00:46:49,170 --> 00:46:47,349
a team leave and then that they also

1197
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:49,180
have shown that even teams being there

1198
00:46:54,900 --> 00:46:52,690
that it may have an impact on the

1199
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:54,910
immediate surrounding couple of blocks

1200
00:46:59,370 --> 00:46:57,130
around a stadium but other than that the

1201
00:47:01,680 --> 00:46:59,380
city really shows no positive economic

1202
00:47:03,329 --> 00:47:01,690
impact either so yeah when you see all

1203
00:47:05,070 --> 00:47:03,339
this tax money being thrown at these

1204
00:47:07,260 --> 00:47:05,080
teams that are privately owned teams

1205
00:47:07,710 --> 00:47:07,270
that keep all the profits from the

1206
00:47:09,540 --> 00:47:07,720
stadium

1207
00:47:12,270 --> 00:47:09,550
and you see this tax money being thrown

1208
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:12,280
at them people need to realize it's not

1209
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:15,130
really benefiting you as a citizen of

1210
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:17,050
that city or state especially not the

1211
00:47:22,260 --> 00:47:19,210
state there's very little positive

1212
00:47:24,210 --> 00:47:22,270
economic impact if any positive economic

1213
00:47:27,089 --> 00:47:24,220
impact from these games being built and

1214
00:47:29,790 --> 00:47:27,099
these teams being in their towns mm-hmm

1215
00:47:32,310 --> 00:47:29,800
well set and it's like a siphon to take

1216
00:47:35,099 --> 00:47:32,320
money out of the city while pretending

1217
00:47:36,540 --> 00:47:35,109
to be a part of it I mean that's how it

1218
00:47:38,579 --> 00:47:36,550
looks to me and I pulled this off your

1219
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:38,589
website you say it was supposed to be a

1220
00:47:41,970 --> 00:47:40,210
chapter in the new book but you kind of

1221
00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:41,980
forgot about it and just to quote this

1222
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:44,710
we can forget about it well yeah I guess

1223
00:47:48,510 --> 00:47:46,450
that can happen but hey I mean I think

1224
00:47:52,380 --> 00:47:48,520
this information is some of the best

1225
00:47:54,930 --> 00:47:52,390
because it it spills over into outside

1226
00:47:56,849 --> 00:47:54,940
of the sports community somewhat but to

1227
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:56,859
quote the page you say this is a list of

1228
00:48:01,890 --> 00:47:59,920
all the NFL and MLB teams when they

1229
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:01,900
built their newest stadiums or had it

1230
00:48:07,290 --> 00:48:04,890
renovated and the success each franchise

1231
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:07,300
coincidentally enjoyed around the

1232
00:48:12,270 --> 00:48:10,000
stadium's opening or reopening what you

1233
00:48:14,940 --> 00:48:12,280
will see is a fairly direct correlation

1234
00:48:17,730 --> 00:48:14,950
between a team needing or wanting a new

1235
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:17,740
stadium and winning remember too that

1236
00:48:22,349 --> 00:48:19,839
when a new stadium is announced it'll be

1237
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:22,359
at least a year report actually opens so

1238
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:24,400
when you see a team's good fortune occur

1239
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:27,040
before the stadium opens that result is

1240
00:48:31,770 --> 00:48:29,170
still tied to the stadium's opening I

1241
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:31,780
think the list speaks for itself

1242
00:48:36,630 --> 00:48:33,760
and of course there you have 30-plus

1243
00:48:39,810 --> 00:48:36,640
examples from both baseball and football

1244
00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:39,820
seems pretty fishy man I mean this is

1245
00:48:43,980 --> 00:48:41,710
another indication that it's all about

1246
00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:43,990
money that you want to generate

1247
00:48:50,610 --> 00:48:47,110
excitement before this new stadium opens

1248
00:48:53,250 --> 00:48:50,620
just to get people excited and I guess I

1249
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:53,260
would ask what examples might be most

1250
00:48:57,420 --> 00:48:55,410
obvious to sports fans in your mind

1251
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:57,430
that's a good question which ones are

1252
00:49:01,170 --> 00:48:59,680
most obvious I mean like you said they

1253
00:49:03,450 --> 00:49:01,180
had holes list in a way speaks for

1254
00:49:06,690 --> 00:49:03,460
itself because you can go through most

1255
00:49:08,910 --> 00:49:06,700
of the teams that wanted a new stadium

1256
00:49:11,220 --> 00:49:08,920
and got public money to build the new

1257
00:49:13,940 --> 00:49:11,230
stadium and then you see immediately

1258
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:13,950
after that stadium is approved or

1259
00:49:19,020 --> 00:49:16,210
immediately after it opens that team

1260
00:49:20,700 --> 00:49:19,030
suddenly is in the playoffs or suddenly

1261
00:49:23,610 --> 00:49:20,710
in the Super Bowl or it's in the World

1262
00:49:26,580 --> 00:49:23,620
Series and it just seems way too

1263
00:49:28,410 --> 00:49:26,590
coincidental to be all based off of the

1264
00:49:30,810 --> 00:49:28,420
stadium you know just the fact that

1265
00:49:32,190 --> 00:49:30,820
these players have new training

1266
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:32,200
facilities doesn't mean they should

1267
00:49:36,300 --> 00:49:34,480
suddenly win the Super Bowl it's just

1268
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:36,310
bizarre I mean you had the Vikings open

1269
00:49:41,100 --> 00:49:38,530
a new stadium they wound up in the NFC

1270
00:49:43,020 --> 00:49:41,110
Championship game you had the Falcons

1271
00:49:45,330 --> 00:49:43,030
open up a new stadium they wound up in

1272
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:45,340
the Super Bowl I mean how often can they

1273
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:47,650
had occur it's very odd there's only

1274
00:49:52,530 --> 00:49:49,690
really like two or three teams that I

1275
00:49:54,690 --> 00:49:52,540
can think of one being the Lions and one

1276
00:49:55,950 --> 00:49:54,700
being the Browns and the Browns you

1277
00:49:57,810 --> 00:49:55,960
can't even really count cuz they were

1278
00:50:00,300 --> 00:49:57,820
basically a brand-new franchise but

1279
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:00,310
teams that have had new stadiums had not

1280
00:50:05,580 --> 00:50:03,370
had that sort of success mm-hmm I mean

1281
00:50:08,850 --> 00:50:05,590
it's really bizarre and you know it even

1282
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:08,860
does leak over into the NHL in the NBA

1283
00:50:13,740 --> 00:50:11,050
as well but it doesn't seem to be as

1284
00:50:15,770 --> 00:50:13,750
prominent of a thing in those two sports

1285
00:50:18,810 --> 00:50:15,780
as it is with football and baseball

1286
00:50:21,090 --> 00:50:18,820
mm-hmm and I wanted to talk about

1287
00:50:23,070 --> 00:50:21,100
gambling a little more and the idea of

1288
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:23,080
point-shaving for people who don't know

1289
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:25,210
anything about sports gambling it can be

1290
00:50:28,740 --> 00:50:26,800
pretty complex because you're usually

1291
00:50:30,540 --> 00:50:28,750
not just betting on which team will win

1292
00:50:32,370 --> 00:50:30,550
but they have to cover the spread they

1293
00:50:35,970 --> 00:50:32,380
have to win by this certain amount

1294
00:50:38,130 --> 00:50:35,980
dictated by the bookie and point-shaving

1295
00:50:41,820 --> 00:50:38,140
is when you don't really alter who wins

1296
00:50:44,250 --> 00:50:41,830
but bookies or whoever will work to

1297
00:50:45,090 --> 00:50:44,260
manipulate that spread and make it most

1298
00:50:47,550 --> 00:50:45,100
Advan tage

1299
00:50:49,140 --> 00:50:47,560
just for them gambling wise right I mean

1300
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:49,150
this is the way it works and there's

1301
00:50:54,510 --> 00:50:52,570
also apparently evidence that there are

1302
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:54,520
some statistical anomalies when you get

1303
00:51:00,180 --> 00:50:57,850
right around that point spread yeah the

1304
00:51:01,740 --> 00:51:00,190
point spread I mean it's hard to what's

1305
00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:01,750
not that hard to explain but basically

1306
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:04,240
for people who aren't aware because

1307
00:51:09,330 --> 00:51:06,970
there are so many games in football and

1308
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:09,340
basketball that are seemingly lopsided

1309
00:51:14,850 --> 00:51:12,160
they created this point spread to make

1310
00:51:18,090 --> 00:51:14,860
the teams more even so basically if a

1311
00:51:20,220 --> 00:51:18,100
team is favored by seven points they

1312
00:51:23,310 --> 00:51:20,230
have a fictional seven points taken off

1313
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:23,320
their final score and added to the other

1314
00:51:27,180 --> 00:51:25,690
teams point total so if the poles are

1315
00:51:29,550 --> 00:51:27,190
favored by seven points over the Bucs

1316
00:51:31,350 --> 00:51:29,560
that means the Bulls have to win by

1317
00:51:33,870 --> 00:51:31,360
seven or more points for you to win your

1318
00:51:36,510 --> 00:51:33,880
bet on the Bulls and if you bet on the

1319
00:51:39,210 --> 00:51:36,520
Bucs you were given seven points so as

1320
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:39,220
long as the Bucs either win or lose by

1321
00:51:43,740 --> 00:51:41,050
less than seven points you would win

1322
00:51:44,970 --> 00:51:43,750
your bet on the box and so what's

1323
00:51:47,130 --> 00:51:44,980
happened is because there's that

1324
00:51:49,740 --> 00:51:47,140
fictional playroom that was created by

1325
00:51:51,450 --> 00:51:49,750
the bookies gamblers an organized crime

1326
00:51:54,180 --> 00:51:51,460
figure it out we'll look we can approach

1327
00:51:55,890 --> 00:51:54,190
guys my example like on the Bulls and

1328
00:51:58,650 --> 00:51:55,900
say hey look you don't have to lose the

1329
00:52:01,410 --> 00:51:58,660
game you just don't win by more than

1330
00:52:02,940 --> 00:52:01,420
seven points because that's the way we

1331
00:52:05,070 --> 00:52:02,950
want this to work we're gonna bet on the

1332
00:52:06,810 --> 00:52:05,080
box so if you can win your game but only

1333
00:52:09,150 --> 00:52:06,820
win it by say five points because the

1334
00:52:11,430 --> 00:52:09,160
point spread is seven then our bet on

1335
00:52:14,550 --> 00:52:11,440
the Bucs is gonna win even though the

1336
00:52:15,720 --> 00:52:14,560
Bucs lose and the Bulls win so that's

1337
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:15,730
what they figured out is they could

1338
00:52:20,190 --> 00:52:17,530
approach especially college kids who

1339
00:52:22,890 --> 00:52:20,200
aren't being paid in basketball and in

1340
00:52:24,690 --> 00:52:22,900
football and convinced them hey we don't

1341
00:52:26,130 --> 00:52:24,700
want you to lose the game we just want

1342
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:26,140
you to make sure you don't win by so

1343
00:52:31,260 --> 00:52:28,450
many points and everybody will be happy

1344
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:31,270
and we'll get paid you'll get paid and

1345
00:52:36,660 --> 00:52:33,610
you know no one will know what's going

1346
00:52:38,190 --> 00:52:36,670
on and so what's happened is I think

1347
00:52:39,630 --> 00:52:38,200
it's happened a lot I mean I think it's

1348
00:52:41,550 --> 00:52:39,640
happened hundreds of times and nobody's

1349
00:52:43,470 --> 00:52:41,560
ever figured out but there were some

1350
00:52:45,780 --> 00:52:43,480
college professors and economists again

1351
00:52:48,210 --> 00:52:45,790
who looked at this and thought that they

1352
00:52:49,740 --> 00:52:48,220
saw anomalies that when a point spread

1353
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:49,750
in college basketball was more than

1354
00:52:54,210 --> 00:52:52,210
twelve that they were probably players

1355
00:52:56,430 --> 00:52:54,220
out there shaving points be it for

1356
00:52:58,140 --> 00:52:56,440
gamblers or for their own purposes but

1357
00:52:59,070 --> 00:52:58,150
that they were not covering the point

1358
00:53:02,160 --> 00:52:59,080
spread as

1359
00:53:05,730 --> 00:53:02,170
regular as they should have been mm-hmm

1360
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:05,740
yeah in the book you cited as a 2006

1361
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:08,010
study that showed when they looked at

1362
00:53:14,340 --> 00:53:11,890
40,000 division 1 NCAA games and their

1363
00:53:16,410 --> 00:53:14,350
betting lines the statistical anomaly

1364
00:53:18,660 --> 00:53:16,420
came out when they looked at the 12

1365
00:53:20,820 --> 00:53:18,670
point spread the analyzer said this

1366
00:53:22,890 --> 00:53:20,830
isn't a natural distribution it proves

1367
00:53:24,930 --> 00:53:22,900
the very point and the funny thing is is

1368
00:53:27,300 --> 00:53:24,940
that I do have friends that bet on

1369
00:53:29,820 --> 00:53:27,310
sports and of course I'm conspiracy guy

1370
00:53:31,859 --> 00:53:29,830
and they've made comments to me about

1371
00:53:34,890 --> 00:53:31,869
this very thing that the numbers end up

1372
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:34,900
perfectly outside of what would pay them

1373
00:53:39,810 --> 00:53:37,570
out funny how that happens yeah it is

1374
00:53:41,730 --> 00:53:39,820
funny how that happens isn't it but I

1375
00:53:44,100 --> 00:53:41,740
think one of the things too that these

1376
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:44,110
guys who look into this enough study

1377
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:47,710
this don't think about is the opposite

1378
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:51,010
thing is I think the easiest way the

1379
00:53:54,540 --> 00:53:53,050
best way to fix a game and I probably

1380
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:54,550
shouldn't tell anybody how to do this

1381
00:53:59,370 --> 00:53:56,800
but I think the best way to fix a game

1382
00:54:03,660 --> 00:53:59,380
is say the point spread was 12 points

1383
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:03,670
and whoever Duke was playing Iowa and

1384
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:06,130
Duke was favored by 12 points well I

1385
00:54:09,450 --> 00:54:07,690
think the best way to fix the game would

1386
00:54:11,730 --> 00:54:09,460
not be to go to a Duke player and say

1387
00:54:14,310 --> 00:54:11,740
hey we want you to win by only like 10

1388
00:54:16,770 --> 00:54:14,320
points or 8 points I think the best play

1389
00:54:18,990 --> 00:54:16,780
would be to approach an Iowa player and

1390
00:54:21,090 --> 00:54:19,000
say hey look you're already expected to

1391
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:21,100
lose and you probably even know you're

1392
00:54:26,730 --> 00:54:23,680
gonna lose to Duke so why don't you just

1393
00:54:29,810 --> 00:54:26,740
get killed today and lose by 20 mm-hm

1394
00:54:31,950 --> 00:54:29,820
and I think if you fix the game that way

1395
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:31,960
nobody would ever know what's going on

1396
00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:33,760
because Dukes expect to do in anyway

1397
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:35,680
they're expected basically to blow Iowa

1398
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:38,530
so when that occurs nobody looks at it

1399
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:41,050
cross-eyed because everything went the

1400
00:54:45,570 --> 00:54:43,510
way according to plan whereby if Duke

1401
00:54:47,700 --> 00:54:45,580
only beat Iowa by two people might be

1402
00:54:49,590 --> 00:54:47,710
like well hey there were some shady play

1403
00:54:52,650 --> 00:54:49,600
by that player that was an odd call

1404
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:52,660
there what happened but if you just make

1405
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:54,640
an expect to blow out an even greater

1406
00:55:00,750 --> 00:54:58,000
blow out by fixing losing side nobody's

1407
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:00,760
gonna look twice in it mm-hm mm-hm I

1408
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:02,650
think that's just such an important

1409
00:55:07,650 --> 00:55:05,010
point that it isn't about necessarily

1410
00:55:09,300 --> 00:55:07,660
deciding who wins or loses it's just

1411
00:55:12,660 --> 00:55:09,310
about how much and this is a little

1412
00:55:15,210 --> 00:55:12,670
nuance that non-sports fans probably go

1413
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:15,220
really reflect on how easy it is to

1414
00:55:20,700 --> 00:55:18,010
manipulate money and betting but it's

1415
00:55:23,730 --> 00:55:20,710
there and of all the leagues it seems

1416
00:55:25,890 --> 00:55:23,740
like the NFL is by far the biggest and

1417
00:55:27,900 --> 00:55:25,900
also of the most corrupt and one of the

1418
00:55:30,329 --> 00:55:27,910
things I like most about this recent

1419
00:55:32,609 --> 00:55:30,339
book is the list of quote after quote

1420
00:55:35,490 --> 00:55:32,619
from players and people on the inside

1421
00:55:38,190 --> 00:55:35,500
that routinely say that their games are

1422
00:55:41,309 --> 00:55:38,200
more entertainment than true competition

1423
00:55:43,620 --> 00:55:41,319
just to read one of them here you have

1424
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:43,630
Joe Thomas of the Cleveland Brown saying

1425
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:46,450
we're talking about a different NFL now

1426
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:49,119
before it was more about the games now

1427
00:55:54,990 --> 00:55:51,609
it's such an entertainment business it's

1428
00:55:57,359 --> 00:55:55,000
turning into WWE really it's like the

1429
00:56:00,509 --> 00:55:57,369
Vince McMahon stuff basically Roger

1430
00:56:02,460 --> 00:56:00,519
Goodell is like the Vince McMahon I mean

1431
00:56:05,130 --> 00:56:02,470
you couldn't make it much more clear

1432
00:56:08,039 --> 00:56:05,140
good you know and the funny thing is is

1433
00:56:10,859 --> 00:56:08,049
Joe Thomas has since returned from the

1434
00:56:12,569 --> 00:56:10,869
NFL has a radio show and I can't

1435
00:56:14,730 --> 00:56:12,579
remember he either signed on with either

1436
00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:14,740
ESPN or Fox to be one of their main

1437
00:56:19,170 --> 00:56:17,049
broadcasters mmm so I mean here's a guy

1438
00:56:21,150 --> 00:56:19,180
who played in the NFL for ten years or

1439
00:56:22,980 --> 00:56:21,160
more who compared the league to the

1440
00:56:24,990 --> 00:56:22,990
professional wrestling who says it's

1441
00:56:27,059 --> 00:56:25,000
really entertainment and now he's

1442
00:56:28,589 --> 00:56:27,069
working with the broadcast media to you

1443
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:28,599
know promote and talk about the NFL

1444
00:56:34,019 --> 00:56:30,970
funny how that worked out for Joe isn't

1445
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:34,029
it yeah if you can't beat him join him I

1446
00:56:39,390 --> 00:56:36,130
guess but yeah one other one I really

1447
00:56:42,539 --> 00:56:39,400
like is from former 49ers linebacker

1448
00:56:44,970 --> 00:56:42,549
Chris Borland where he says the NFL is

1449
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:44,980
like a spectacle of violence for

1450
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:47,410
entertainment and your actors in it

1451
00:56:52,380 --> 00:56:49,839
you're complicit and that you put on the

1452
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:52,390
uniform and it's a trivial thing at its

1453
00:56:57,359 --> 00:56:54,880
core it's make-believe really that's the

1454
00:56:59,339 --> 00:56:57,369
truth about it again pretty telling but

1455
00:57:02,009 --> 00:56:59,349
how many football fans are gonna just

1456
00:57:03,930 --> 00:57:02,019
dismiss something like that well because

1457
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:03,940
they don't want to hear it if you

1458
00:57:07,950 --> 00:57:06,160
believe in the fairy tale you don't want

1459
00:57:09,390 --> 00:57:07,960
to hear that it's not true I mean how

1460
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:09,400
many kids are thrilled to hear that

1461
00:57:13,049 --> 00:57:11,920
Santa Claus doesn't exist yeah oh that

1462
00:57:15,059 --> 00:57:13,059
means a lot of the kids jump for joy

1463
00:57:17,220 --> 00:57:15,069
like all good great there's no such

1464
00:57:18,420 --> 00:57:17,230
thing as Santa Claus that's great no

1465
00:57:20,579 --> 00:57:18,430
it's the same thing with fans and the

1466
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:20,589
problem with sports is when I talk about

1467
00:57:25,900 --> 00:57:23,710
this and the fixes in is that sports in

1468
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:25,910
many ways acts like a drug

1469
00:57:29,529 --> 00:57:28,010
it affects you psychologically if you're

1470
00:57:31,150 --> 00:57:29,539
a huge sports fan they have something

1471
00:57:33,339 --> 00:57:31,160
that's called basking and reflective

1472
00:57:36,010 --> 00:57:33,349
glory which means if you're a fan of a

1473
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:36,020
certain team and that team does well you

1474
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:38,480
get kind of a natural high from that you

1475
00:57:42,279 --> 00:57:40,730
feel good about yourself from that you

1476
00:57:44,319 --> 00:57:42,289
know you'd see rows up if you listen to

1477
00:57:45,819 --> 00:57:44,329
sports radio which isn't the most fun

1478
00:57:48,039 --> 00:57:45,829
thing to listen to but if you do listen

1479
00:57:50,289 --> 00:57:48,049
to sports radio you can hear it because

1480
00:57:52,420 --> 00:57:50,299
fans will call in and they'll talk about

1481
00:57:54,490 --> 00:57:52,430
a team it'll say we need to do this we

1482
00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:54,500
need to trade for that guy we need to

1483
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:55,849
start him and not him

1484
00:58:00,640 --> 00:57:58,640
it's like we you're not on the team

1485
00:58:02,319 --> 00:58:00,650
buddy I'm sorry I don't care if you own

1486
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:02,329
a Jersey in the Hat and you go to a lot

1487
00:58:07,029 --> 00:58:04,160
of games you're not on the team it's not

1488
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:07,039
we it's they yeah and then they found

1489
00:58:11,109 --> 00:58:08,960
also that when teams start to lose fans

1490
00:58:12,849 --> 00:58:11,119
will disassociate themselves and when

1491
00:58:14,589 --> 00:58:12,859
they call him they will say like they

1492
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:14,599
need to do that and they need to do this

1493
00:58:20,410 --> 00:58:17,210
but many times it's just we mentality

1494
00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:20,420
like fans have this psychological need

1495
00:58:24,910 --> 00:58:22,609
for sports and feel part of that team

1496
00:58:26,380 --> 00:58:24,920
and it affects them so when you start

1497
00:58:27,940 --> 00:58:26,390
talking about that hey this is just

1498
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:27,950
entertainment you might as well be

1499
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:30,730
watching the Kardashians or Survivor or

1500
00:58:35,019 --> 00:58:33,200
American Ninja Warrior or something else

1501
00:58:38,140 --> 00:58:35,029
it's all just entertainments the same

1502
00:58:40,359 --> 00:58:38,150
difference it really upsets them mm-hmm

1503
00:58:44,380 --> 00:58:40,369
and I've also heard conversations

1504
00:58:47,529 --> 00:58:44,390
regarding energy and just the energy of

1505
00:58:49,329 --> 00:58:47,539
large groups of people or even male

1506
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:49,339
energy not that men are the only ones

1507
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:52,970
who watch sports but this idea that it

1508
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:56,000
numbs the masses from maybe rebelling

1509
00:59:00,910 --> 00:58:58,640
against something real in politics and

1510
00:59:03,940 --> 00:59:00,920
corruption that maybe actually affects

1511
00:59:08,769 --> 00:59:03,950
their lives and you can kind of see how

1512
00:59:10,599 --> 00:59:08,779
the energetic shape of people storming

1513
00:59:13,690 --> 00:59:10,609
the White House because they're pissed

1514
00:59:17,319 --> 00:59:13,700
about the cost of health care mirrors

1515
00:59:19,329 --> 00:59:17,329
the way people look in a stadium at a

1516
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:19,339
game when they're getting really excited

1517
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:21,410
and I could definitely see the case that

1518
00:59:25,420 --> 00:59:23,359
this is the opiate of the masses maybe

1519
00:59:28,569 --> 00:59:25,430
it was religion once it's sports today

1520
00:59:31,420 --> 00:59:28,579
but I think there's a major component to

1521
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:31,430
social control that is sometimes

1522
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:33,920
overlooked I agree I think a lot of

1523
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:35,690
times it's like you know the gladiator

1524
00:59:39,610 --> 00:59:38,089
games in ancient Rome I mean they put

1525
00:59:41,290 --> 00:59:39,620
those on for reason they

1526
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:41,300
put him on to distract the masses from

1527
00:59:45,010 --> 00:59:43,280
what the government was doing and in

1528
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:45,020
many ways today like we talked about

1529
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:48,170
earlier the government funds to certain

1530
00:59:52,060 --> 00:59:50,210
extent professional sports they help him

1531
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:52,070
build the stadiums they had give him tax

1532
00:59:56,530 --> 00:59:54,290
breaks they made you know certain like

1533
00:59:58,480 --> 00:59:56,540
the NFL was a tax-exempt organization

1534
01:00:00,220 --> 00:59:58,490
for a while there's certain breaks that

1535
01:00:02,020 --> 01:00:00,230
the government gives professional sports

1536
01:00:03,340 --> 01:00:02,030
and like said I think it acts in the

1537
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:03,350
same way that people can be so

1538
01:00:07,930 --> 01:00:05,930
distracted by sports and more worried

1539
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:07,940
about who their team is gonna trade for

1540
01:00:11,230 --> 01:00:09,890
or if they're gonna get this free agent

1541
01:00:13,810 --> 01:00:11,240
or if they're gonna win the game or not

1542
01:00:15,220 --> 01:00:13,820
then they are you know things like you

1543
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:15,230
say health care and other things that

1544
01:00:21,100 --> 01:00:17,810
directly impact their lives mm-hmm

1545
01:00:23,290 --> 01:00:21,110
of course yes that is life and on the

1546
01:00:26,290 --> 01:00:23,300
subject of football last time you

1547
01:00:28,030 --> 01:00:26,300
excited Super Bowl three as the example

1548
01:00:30,700 --> 01:00:28,040
of what might be the biggest and most

1549
01:00:32,770 --> 01:00:30,710
clearly fixed game in sports history can

1550
01:00:35,530 --> 01:00:32,780
you give us another game that you think

1551
01:00:37,690 --> 01:00:35,540
might reach kind of those heights that

1552
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:37,700
might have sports fans scratching their

1553
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:39,290
heads if they saw it in the right light

1554
01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:41,450
maybe something recent or something

1555
01:00:47,350 --> 01:00:43,280
that's happened in the past few years or

1556
01:00:49,660 --> 01:00:47,360
decade I think the number one absolutely

1557
01:00:51,460 --> 01:00:49,670
for sure with how to doubt fixed game

1558
01:00:53,590 --> 01:00:51,470
which wasn't a big game really in the

1559
01:00:56,890 --> 01:00:53,600
grand scheme of things but I think for

1560
01:00:59,260 --> 01:00:56,900
sure the most fixed game I ever saw was

1561
01:01:01,620 --> 01:00:59,270
the Saints first game back in the

1562
01:01:03,850 --> 01:01:01,630
Superdome after Hurricane Katrina

1563
01:01:06,990 --> 01:01:03,860
because it was big Monday Night Football

1564
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:07,000
deal they played the Atlanta Falcons

1565
01:01:10,750 --> 01:01:09,530
there was a blocked punt right at the

1566
01:01:11,710 --> 01:01:10,760
beginning of the game by one of the

1567
01:01:14,290 --> 01:01:11,720
Saints which is actually now

1568
01:01:17,860 --> 01:01:14,300
immortalized outside the stadium in a

1569
01:01:20,860 --> 01:01:17,870
statue because of their play the coach

1570
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:20,870
of the Falcons at the time was Jim Mora

1571
01:01:26,710 --> 01:01:23,210
whose dad had been formerly the coach of

1572
01:01:28,660 --> 01:01:26,720
the Saints a few years earlier I mean I

1573
01:01:30,370 --> 01:01:28,670
think that game was fixed from top to

1574
01:01:33,670 --> 01:01:30,380
bottom and it was all done for a show

1575
01:01:35,620 --> 01:01:33,680
because it was an NFL thing about the

1576
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:35,630
Saints rejuvenating the city of New

1577
01:01:40,930 --> 01:01:37,610
Orleans after the hurricane I think from

1578
01:01:42,940 --> 01:01:40,940
top to bottom that was next right on but

1579
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:42,950
if you want to go championship game I

1580
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:46,250
would say the 2016 NBA Finals when

1581
01:01:50,170 --> 01:01:47,810
LeBron brought the title back to

1582
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:50,180
Cleveland I think that was a total rig

1583
01:01:56,890 --> 01:01:53,050
job as well that whole series

1584
01:01:59,500 --> 01:01:56,900
awesome I love it and of course the book

1585
01:02:02,560 --> 01:01:59,510
is really really well put together and

1586
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:02,570
books do take a long time to write and

1587
01:02:07,540 --> 01:02:04,730
your finger is on the pulse and sports

1588
01:02:08,859 --> 01:02:07,550
are always going on praise be is there

1589
01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:08,869
anything right now you're paying

1590
01:02:13,540 --> 01:02:10,400
attention to that she thinks a little

1591
01:02:17,170 --> 01:02:13,550
fishy not really I've kind of taken a

1592
01:02:18,550 --> 01:02:17,180
break after your major case yeah you can

1593
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:18,560
only uh it's a thing I mean after

1594
01:02:22,870 --> 01:02:20,690
writing the fixes in I thought I'd made

1595
01:02:24,609 --> 01:02:22,880
my case and apparently nobody got the

1596
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:24,619
point so I'd write the fix is still in

1597
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:26,810
two further make my case and hopefully I

1598
01:02:30,790 --> 01:02:28,250
don't have to write the fix is still

1599
01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:30,800
still in ten years from now I hope it's

1600
01:02:35,230 --> 01:02:32,960
all said and done so hopefully I can

1601
01:02:37,930 --> 01:02:35,240
start looking at other things to

1602
01:02:39,609 --> 01:02:37,940
investigate write about but yeah for

1603
01:02:40,900 --> 01:02:39,619
right now sports all you have is

1604
01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:40,910
baseball going on in

1605
01:02:45,579 --> 01:02:43,609
nobody cares about baseball really hey

1606
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:45,589
tell me about it I've got roped into

1607
01:02:49,240 --> 01:02:47,810
three baseball games this weekend

1608
01:02:51,550 --> 01:02:49,250
because the Cardinals are in town

1609
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:51,560
playing the Padres and if I want to see

1610
01:02:57,010 --> 01:02:53,810
any of my friends I get to go sit at

1611
01:02:59,980 --> 01:02:57,020
three baseball games you go I'm with you

1612
01:03:02,140 --> 01:02:59,990
I don't care about it at all but man

1613
01:03:03,790 --> 01:03:02,150
this is always fun for me since I do

1614
01:03:05,530 --> 01:03:03,800
have no connection to sports but I

1615
01:03:07,420 --> 01:03:05,540
understand how it might make some people

1616
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:07,430
angry sometimes the truth is

1617
01:03:12,190 --> 01:03:09,410
uncomfortable but you just got to take

1618
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:12,200
it and before we go are there any other

1619
01:03:15,849 --> 01:03:14,240
projects in the pipeline or things we

1620
01:03:17,710 --> 01:03:15,859
should just tell people about following

1621
01:03:20,020 --> 01:03:17,720
your work or your website or get in the

1622
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:20,030
book the best place to go up people want

1623
01:03:23,260 --> 01:03:22,160
to they want to ask me questions if they

1624
01:03:24,609 --> 01:03:23,270
want to get the book if they want to

1625
01:03:27,069 --> 01:03:24,619
learn more information about it all is

1626
01:03:29,500 --> 01:03:27,079
just my website which is the fix is in

1627
01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:29,510
that net and all my social media is

1628
01:03:35,410 --> 01:03:31,760
there and everything so fix is in that

1629
01:03:37,540 --> 01:03:35,420
knows the place to go boom awesome well

1630
01:03:39,609 --> 01:03:37,550
I love that you've done so much work to

1631
01:03:41,620 --> 01:03:39,619
define yourself as the go-to guy for

1632
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:41,630
sports corruption you really have made

1633
01:03:46,150 --> 01:03:43,970
your own niche and remain the head

1634
01:03:47,530 --> 01:03:46,160
master of all things uncouth in the

1635
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:47,540
sports world and that's a beautiful

1636
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:49,730
thing cheers and keep doing what you do

1637
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:51,890
man thanks again thanks I appreciate you

1638
01:03:59,470 --> 01:03:53,450
having me on Greg it's always fun to

1639
01:04:02,500 --> 01:03:59,480
talk and boom goes the dynamite internet

1640
01:04:05,740 --> 01:04:02,510
friends and family the return of the

1641
01:04:06,550 --> 01:04:05,750
sports conspiracy Jedi and I really

1642
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:06,560
enjoyed it

1643
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:09,530
I think Brian is a really great example

1644
01:04:14,950 --> 01:04:12,770
of someone who decided what their role

1645
01:04:17,590 --> 01:04:14,960
was gonna be in the world and just went

1646
01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:17,600
for it and there is a good lesson in

1647
01:04:20,350 --> 01:04:17,810
that

1648
01:04:24,750 --> 01:04:20,360
if you ever listened to Jordan Peterson

1649
01:04:27,670 --> 01:04:24,760
he talks a lot about issues with men and

1650
01:04:30,460 --> 01:04:27,680
it's not extremely related but if we're

1651
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:30,470
gonna talk about some man [\h__\h] it should

1652
01:04:37,030 --> 01:04:32,480
be to cap off a sports episode right

1653
01:04:39,250 --> 01:04:37,040
yeah yeah but he talks about how young

1654
01:04:41,350 --> 01:04:39,260
men are pretty lost right now and a big

1655
01:04:43,390 --> 01:04:41,360
part of that is that they can't find a

1656
01:04:46,750 --> 01:04:43,400
dominance hierarchy where they can be

1657
01:04:47,260 --> 01:04:46,760
successful and that term sums it up so

1658
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:47,270
well

1659
01:04:52,060 --> 01:04:49,370
and after I heard it I sort of realized

1660
01:04:54,550 --> 01:04:52,070
that that was a big part of my decision

1661
01:04:57,850 --> 01:04:54,560
process to do what I do now

1662
01:05:00,790 --> 01:04:57,860
the main focus when this was all just

1663
01:05:03,730 --> 01:05:00,800
ideas was oh I should try to be a comic

1664
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:03,740
or a writer and those are extremely

1665
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:05,770
competitive and almost unattainable

1666
01:05:12,100 --> 01:05:09,490
sounding paths from where I was in life

1667
01:05:14,230 --> 01:05:12,110
but what I was asked I'd say those were

1668
01:05:15,850 --> 01:05:14,240
things that I wanted to do but

1669
01:05:18,820 --> 01:05:15,860
subconsciously I knew it was probably

1670
01:05:20,890 --> 01:05:18,830
never gonna happen that way and then I

1671
01:05:23,050 --> 01:05:20,900
thought well you do love listening to

1672
01:05:26,050 --> 01:05:23,060
these alternative researchers it's

1673
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:26,060
definitely a passion and if you go back

1674
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:28,880
9 or 10 years I only had a few shows to

1675
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:31,250
listen to and I thought hey I could do

1676
01:05:37,300 --> 01:05:33,530
that and I think I could do it well and

1677
01:05:39,670 --> 01:05:37,310
here we are but Brian isn't even more

1678
01:05:41,890 --> 01:05:39,680
specific and dial than example that

1679
01:05:44,500 --> 01:05:41,900
makes that point that you can absolutely

1680
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:44,510
be doing what you love if you find a

1681
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:47,410
slice of the pie that you can make yours

1682
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:49,730
because he is the best at this and he

1683
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:53,810
almost has zero competition if anyone

1684
01:05:57,370 --> 01:05:55,370
out there is struggling to find their

1685
01:06:00,880 --> 01:05:57,380
place their career path their own

1686
01:06:03,130 --> 01:06:00,890
expertise think about how to find a

1687
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:03,140
unique way to express the things that

1688
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:04,970
are already your interests probably

1689
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:06,770
things you're halfway there on if you

1690
01:06:11,950 --> 01:06:08,690
just built from what you know and love

1691
01:06:14,470 --> 01:06:11,960
already something to think about but you

1692
01:06:16,420 --> 01:06:14,480
probably don't need the lecture in terms

1693
01:06:18,790 --> 01:06:16,430
of content one of my favorite sections

1694
01:06:19,900 --> 01:06:18,800
of this show was about the magnets in

1695
01:06:22,270 --> 01:06:19,910
balls and rim

1696
01:06:24,279 --> 01:06:22,280
and pucks but it is something you need

1697
01:06:26,289 --> 01:06:24,289
to see to believe I actually brought up

1698
01:06:28,990 --> 01:06:26,299
one of the hockey clips to a hockey

1699
01:06:32,109 --> 01:06:29,000
loving buddy of mine and he says yeah

1700
01:06:34,420 --> 01:06:32,119
I've seen it and I can just tell by his

1701
01:06:36,940 --> 01:06:34,430
tone that he absolutely knows how

1702
01:06:37,420 --> 01:06:36,950
sketchy it looks he says I don't know

1703
01:06:40,029 --> 01:06:37,430
man

1704
01:06:42,490 --> 01:06:40,039
I just try to chalk it up to a divot in

1705
01:06:46,299 --> 01:06:42,500
the ice or a weird bounce what can you

1706
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:46,309
say and I thought exactly what can you

1707
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:48,650
say well you can say that it's all a

1708
01:06:55,539 --> 01:06:52,970
sham I kid I kid the sports fans but

1709
01:06:59,470 --> 01:06:55,549
check out that page on Brian's website

1710
01:07:02,020 --> 01:06:59,480
for some real physics defying shots of

1711
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:02,030
course I thank Brian for what he does I

1712
01:07:06,370 --> 01:07:03,650
couldn't do a show like this without him

1713
01:07:08,349 --> 01:07:06,380
it's clear he's found a niche that he's

1714
01:07:10,420 --> 01:07:08,359
happy with despite the critics that's

1715
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:10,430
always going to be in the mix but we do

1716
01:07:16,660 --> 01:07:13,210
what we do and we deal with the rest in

1717
01:07:19,809 --> 01:07:16,670
THC News the joint session this month

1718
01:07:21,940 --> 01:07:19,819
will be on the 25th of July 7 p.m.

1719
01:07:25,750 --> 01:07:21,950
Pacific come join me and let's have a

1720
01:07:28,599 --> 01:07:25,760
chat of our own I also spoke too soon

1721
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:28,609
about the new consolidation of the THC

1722
01:07:34,089 --> 01:07:31,130
websites launch date we're going with

1723
01:07:35,470 --> 01:07:34,099
Monday August 5th monday works best for

1724
01:07:37,660 --> 01:07:35,480
the web folks because they'll have a

1725
01:07:38,380 --> 01:07:37,670
full 5 days to make sure everything runs

1726
01:07:42,430 --> 01:07:38,390
smoothly

1727
01:07:44,529 --> 01:07:42,440
I wasn't gonna argue with that so next

1728
01:07:46,660 --> 01:07:44,539
joint session July 25th 7:00 p.m.

1729
01:07:49,930 --> 01:07:46,670
Pacific and the new website is launching

1730
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:49,940
August 5th stop on by and take a look I

1731
01:07:54,700 --> 01:07:52,490
think you'll love the facelift and if

1732
01:07:58,089 --> 01:07:54,710
you're a plus member who doesn't just

1733
01:07:59,650 --> 01:07:58,099
use the RSS feed and plug that into one

1734
01:08:01,990 --> 01:07:59,660
of the many podcasts apps like the

1735
01:08:05,829 --> 01:08:02,000
majority of people do if you actually do

1736
01:08:07,660 --> 01:08:05,839
log on to the website to listen I'm sure

1737
01:08:10,779 --> 01:08:07,670
it's a minority but still I think your

1738
01:08:13,779 --> 01:08:10,789
experience will be improved as well of

1739
01:08:15,490 --> 01:08:13,789
course every higher side chats episode

1740
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:15,500
that you're here and out in the wild for

1741
01:08:20,349 --> 01:08:17,810
free is just the first hour of what are

1742
01:08:22,749 --> 01:08:20,359
really two hour interviews that you can

1743
01:08:25,539 --> 01:08:22,759
get into by signing up to be a plus

1744
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:25,549
number eight bucks a month five extra

1745
01:08:30,010 --> 01:08:27,440
hours of interviews and a lot of extra

1746
01:08:32,110 --> 01:08:30,020
stuff as well consider it if you like

1747
01:08:33,830 --> 01:08:32,120
what I do and think I'm high enough on

1748
01:08:36,440 --> 01:08:33,840
the conspiracy podcast

1749
01:08:37,510 --> 01:08:36,450
dominance hierarchy for it to be worth

1750
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:37,520
your while

1751
01:08:43,460 --> 01:08:40,290
today's extra hour with Brian covered

1752
01:08:46,250 --> 01:08:43,470
things like the nuances of the NHL the

1753
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:46,260
Las Vegas golden Knight saga and the

1754
01:08:51,530 --> 01:08:49,440
acceptance of fighting also what you

1755
01:08:54,650 --> 01:08:51,540
don't know about sports broadcasting

1756
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:54,660
rights NASCAR corruption and getting the

1757
01:09:00,020 --> 01:08:57,090
call horse racing corruption and

1758
01:09:02,780 --> 01:09:00,030
cheating eSports and loot boxes who

1759
01:09:05,420 --> 01:09:02,790
would have thought and of course the

1760
01:09:07,430 --> 01:09:05,430
biggest fixed games in sports history

1761
01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:07,440
what takes that title in Brian's mind

1762
01:09:11,270 --> 01:09:09,450
well we talked about one last time what

1763
01:09:15,140 --> 01:09:11,280
else is up there it's got to be more

1764
01:09:17,540 --> 01:09:15,150
than one and it is all great additional

1765
01:09:20,300 --> 01:09:17,550
threads to the sports conspiracy

1766
01:09:23,900 --> 01:09:20,310
cardigan that Brian conversationally

1767
01:09:27,140 --> 01:09:23,910
crochets so well and I think that's

1768
01:09:30,290 --> 01:09:27,150
about it for me I always really really

1769
01:09:32,690 --> 01:09:30,300
appreciate the support and that's true

1770
01:09:36,100 --> 01:09:32,700
now more than ever I'm sure you get it

1771
01:09:39,080 --> 01:09:36,110
so thanks again I love all you guys

1772
01:09:41,060 --> 01:09:39,090
your move sports fixing franchises

1773
01:09:44,089 --> 01:09:41,070
billion-dollar ball game controllers and

1774
01:09:49,419 --> 01:09:44,099
three-letter leagues of deception

1775
01:09:54,950 --> 01:09:49,429
your [\h__\h] room they built a little

1776
01:10:00,879 --> 01:09:54,960
Empire out of some crazy garbage called

1777
01:10:06,020 --> 01:10:00,889
the blood of the exploited working class

1778
01:10:09,979 --> 01:10:06,030
but they've overcome their shyness now

1779
01:10:17,660 --> 01:10:09,989
we're calling them your highness and the

1780
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:17,670
world screams save me THC they destroyed

1781
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:20,960
the bonds of friendship and respect

1782
01:10:30,430 --> 01:10:26,400
between the only people left who'd even

1783
01:10:35,689 --> 01:10:30,440
look them in the eye

1784
01:10:39,830 --> 01:10:35,699
now they laugh and make a fortune of the

1785
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:39,840
same ones that they tortured and a world

1786
01:10:53,010 --> 01:10:48,170
screams save me THC let's love

1787
01:11:08,570 --> 01:11:01,060
mr. Jesus so far away now we are the

1788
01:11:13,790 --> 01:11:08,580
only one who can tell me if it's true

1789
01:11:20,879 --> 01:11:13,800
[Music]

1790
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:20,889
- they built a little Empire out of some

1791
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:25,440
crazy garbage called the blood of the

1792
01:11:34,669 --> 01:11:29,570
exploited working-class

1793
01:11:38,569 --> 01:11:34,679
but they've overcome her shyness now

1794
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:38,579
we're calling him your highness and the